oowee Posted July 23, 2019 Report Share Posted July 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: And there is no credible alternative! That is the saddest part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted July 23, 2019 Report Share Posted July 23, 2019 10 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: Many people didn’t give Trump 100 days, will be interesting to see if BoJo makes it. Excellent point, there are plenty of people saying Trump has no chance of a second term, I wouldnt like to wager against it. All those naysayers and frantic attempts to impeach/remove him , have come to nothing , making those naysayers look pretty silly in the end. Will Bojos story be similar ? It certainly makes these pictures of a blundering idiot that no one likes, look a bit odd, because there he is , Prime minister with a landslide vote. 4 minutes ago, oowee said: That is the saddest part. Ask yourself why . And try not to blame 'old people' this time . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted July 23, 2019 Report Share Posted July 23, 2019 8 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Ask yourself why . And try not to blame 'old people' this time . Then I have no answer 🙂 It's not blame but it's a fact that our memory paints the past favorably. Here we have people in the Tory party desperately clinging to the hope of divine intervention in the form of Boris. Clawing for that last gasp option that might provide the redemption they seek to turn the clock back. Is it time for an upper age limit for voting? We have seen sixteen year olds being given a say on their future in Scotland, why should those looking to move on have an equal say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted July 23, 2019 Report Share Posted July 23, 2019 6 minutes ago, oowee said: Then I have no answer Its a ridiculous cop out to try to pin blame for the election of Boris, or anything else in politics on the state of mind of people over , for example 60 years old. Is that what you really believe ? How old are you ? Does your voice 'count' ? Try reading this ; https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/democracy-in-tatters-empty-coffers-the-legacy-of-may/?fbclid=IwAR1jWWfL_1W9LYhOXCLYs1HOUF_-ol4avwabOrEdQCfReXES3JEL3eu1ZeI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted July 23, 2019 Report Share Posted July 23, 2019 Quote Is it time for an upper age limit for voting? Another bankrupt argument trotted out when things don't go your way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportsbob Posted July 23, 2019 Report Share Posted July 23, 2019 Are we saying that Hunt would have been a better choice and if so why ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted July 23, 2019 Report Share Posted July 23, 2019 43 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Its a ridiculous cop out to try to pin blame for the election of Boris, or anything else in politics on the state of mind of people over , for example 60 years old. Is that what you really believe ? How old are you ? Does your voice 'count' ? Try reading this ; https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/democracy-in-tatters-empty-coffers-the-legacy-of-may/?fbclid=IwAR1jWWfL_1W9LYhOXCLYs1HOUF_-ol4avwabOrEdQCfReXES3JEL3eu1ZeI My post made the point that there was no blame attached. 21 minutes ago, Gordon R said: Another bankrupt argument trotted out when things don't go your way. I asked two questions. There was no argument put forward. 22 minutes ago, sportsbob said: Are we saying that Hunt would have been a better choice and if so why ? It's the process by which we get to this point that is surely the issue rather than the choice of candidates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted July 23, 2019 Report Share Posted July 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, oowee said: It's the process by which we get to this point that is surely the issue rather than the choice of candidates. There was a huge choice of candidates at the beginning. They were not as popular as Boris, in fact, Boris lead from the outset. This should tell you something. He has had multiple media attacks, a well publicised show of his buffoonery, yet there he is , always the front runner and the successful candidate. I know you struggle with majority decisions 😆 as you deem them unfair , and the province of the old and decrepit , but thems the breaks mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportsbob Posted July 23, 2019 Report Share Posted July 23, 2019 1 minute ago, oowee said: It's the process by which we get to this point that is surely the issue rather than the choice of candidates. The point we are at was reached with a binary decision Bojo or Hunt, the process was democratic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted July 23, 2019 Report Share Posted July 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, sportsbob said: The point we are at was reached with a binary decision Bojo or Hunt, the process was democratic. We got to this point because we were faced with a binary choice of leave or stay. The process was democratic against the binary choice offered. The offer of a binary choice in the first place against a nuanced position was flawed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted July 23, 2019 Report Share Posted July 23, 2019 9 minutes ago, oowee said: We got to this point because we were faced with a binary choice of leave or stay. The process was democratic against the binary choice offered. The offer of a binary choice in the first place against a nuanced position was flawed. Spot on. And if we need a case in point about people living in the past it’s amply illustrated by those still banging on inanely about 17.4M votes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted July 23, 2019 Report Share Posted July 23, 2019 Just now, Raja Clavata said: Spot on. And if we need a case in point about people living in the past it’s amply illustrated by those still banging on inanely about 17.4M votes... a good proportion of which, after 3 years have probably moved on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted July 23, 2019 Report Share Posted July 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: And if we need a case in point about people living in the past it’s amply illustrated by those still banging on inanely about 17.4M votes... True..theres probably a lot more than that now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted July 23, 2019 Report Share Posted July 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, Rewulf said: True..theres probably a lot more than that now. On BBC world news this morning there was an interview at 6am outside the HoP and the interviewee, how I had assumed from the language was a Brexiteer, stated that 58% of UK public back Remain. Dunno if it’s true but more anecdotal evidence that claims the leave numbers have increased are a bit of a stretch, to say the least. Only one way to resolve it 😛 8 minutes ago, oowee said: a good proportion of which, after 3 years have probably moved on. Murmuring something about being one of 17.4M in their last gasps in all probability...🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted July 23, 2019 Report Share Posted July 23, 2019 7 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: Only one way to resolve it Well, do you feel lucky..well do ya..punk ? 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted July 23, 2019 Report Share Posted July 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Well, do you feel lucky..well do ya..punk ? 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted July 23, 2019 Report Share Posted July 23, 2019 8 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Well, do you feel lucky..well do ya..punk ? 😂 Luck doesn’t come into it, confident sense would prevail though🤪 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted July 23, 2019 Report Share Posted July 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Raja Clavata said: Luck doesn’t come into it, confident sense would prevail though🤪 I wouldnt wager on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted July 23, 2019 Report Share Posted July 23, 2019 Quote And if we need a case in point about people living in the past it’s amply illustrated by those still banging on inanely about 17.4M votes... I agree - it is inane. Not quite so inane as the less than 17.4m, who refuse to accept democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted July 23, 2019 Report Share Posted July 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Rewulf said: I wouldnt wager on it. With the exponential rise of stupid it could be a close run thing, but as an optimist... Does somebody need to be politely reminded they previously stated that they would not reply to further posts from yours truly.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted July 23, 2019 Report Share Posted July 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: Does somebody need to be politely reminded they previously stated that they would not reply to further posts from yours truly.... I thought you said the populace could change heir mind...😆 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted July 23, 2019 Report Share Posted July 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Rewulf said: I thought you said the populace could change heir mind...😆 I did, lol. But I wasn’t the one who made the later rescinded statement in the first place 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted July 23, 2019 Report Share Posted July 23, 2019 (edited) I replied without considering who posted. It was just plain daft and needed answering. You will note that I agreed with you, but even-handed doesn't seem to be your strong point. Edited July 23, 2019 by Gordon R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted July 23, 2019 Report Share Posted July 23, 2019 On 22/07/2019 at 10:28, Capt Christopher Jones said: worth a listen A traitor to democracy! Not worth a listen! A 1,000 years to achieve universal suffrage, and he wants to throw that away! On 22/07/2019 at 10:30, Raja Clavata said: So you’re blaming the EU for our military shortfalls in capability? Not surprising since you lot appear to blame everything on the EU. This is the second time you’ve contradicted yourself within a few days on this thread - do you want to have a rethink on your statement on probability of conflict with Iran🤪 With Blair / Iraq you’re comparing apples to pears (salmon to kippers maybe) with BoJo and Iran. For all his failings Blair was a leader, BoJo is a clown and it’s not even clear him becoming PM is a fornality. Brexit has sidelined pretty much everything else in the past three years. Will BoJo be able to even form a credible government? Probably the only thing preventing the opposition lodging an immediate no confidence is fear of a counter measure of suspending parliament. Blair was a leader? Best joke this week! A liar, yes! A leader, no! He was a follower.....of George Bush! On 22/07/2019 at 10:45, Gordon R said: I am bemused that Brexit has been brought up in relation to a potential conflict with Iran. Bizarre doesn't quite hack it. We are and will remain a member of NATO. The EU has no army, navy, air force of their own and hasn't lifted a finger in the current situation. Just how would staying in the EU help anyone? Tenuous connection expected.😂 Correct! At least, they have no army YET....and as our Remoaner friends keep telling us, they have no intention of forming one! Which is strange when you listen to the new German leader of the EU.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted July 23, 2019 Report Share Posted July 23, 2019 On 22/07/2019 at 11:14, Retsdon said: There's a difference between prohibiting your own citizens and businesses from engaging in commerce with a country and using that same prohibition as a fig leaf to seize and hold the assets of a 3rd party. Syria is not under sanction by the UN Security Council and so Britain is on very thin legal ice using unilateral EU sanctions as a pretext to board and hold an Iranian tanker that was only in EU waters to take on food. The deafening silence from European capitals about what happened in Gibraltar actually suggests that the EU itself wasn't consulted at all before its Syrian sanctions were weaponized to support Bolton's beef with Iran. Why should the EU support Britain? We got into this situation of our own free will, almost certainly at the behest of the Americans. Incidentally, this is what the UN is saying about the US - EU sanctions on Syria.https://news.un.org/en/story/2018/05/1010062 The UN became pretty irrelevant years ago! All talk, and no action! Remember the Balkans? On 22/07/2019 at 14:45, Rewulf said: Fair enough ,I stand corrected. So when the UN tried to sanction Syria, the Chinese and Russia vetoed them. And the the US, EU and other NATO members just went and sanctioned them anyway ? Makes you wonder why we even argue over such things as 'what the UN does' It appears they are a complete waste of time. No argument there! Not even a toothless tiger! More a toothless teddy bear! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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