SpringDon Posted September 20, 2019 Report Share Posted September 20, 2019 That’s completely clear. A lefty cannot be racist; therefore if they perform racist actions then those actions are right wing but the actionee remains left wing. Why should I have to explain that basic concept? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted September 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2019 3 hours ago, Hamster said: Not everyone agrees : Indeed; Quote far right is being defined as an umbrella term that encompasses those individuals and organisations whose political outlook is more extreme or hardline than those of the centre-right of the political spectrum, primarily on issues such as race,culture, immigration, or identity. In practice, this usually means a belief in exceptionalist nationalism of either a race or country rather than mere patriotism. Coupled with this is a belief that the nation (either geographic or racial) is in decay or crisis and radical action is required to halt or reverse it. The ‘nation’, however defined, usually includes an in-group that is under threat and an out-group/enemy, usually now identified as Islam and Muslims though this can be any minority community. 3 hours ago, Fatcatsplat said: If either ever had the mindset to actually get organised and go beyond being very angry online or in the pub, then i might be worried, but it's all a mixture of thickies, wannabes and the Peoples Front of Judeah I would love to be on the "terraces" when the Football Lads Alliance and their splinter group the Democratic Football Lads are there.... "Splitters!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted September 20, 2019 Report Share Posted September 20, 2019 Don’t shooters fit that definition of a ‘nation’ under threat, or are we not a minority community? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted September 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2019 36 minutes ago, henry d said: far right is being defined as an umbrella term that encompasses those individuals and organisations whose political outlook is more extreme or hardline than those of the centre-right of the political spectrum, primarily on issues such as race,culture, immigration, or identity. In practice, this usually means a belief in exceptionalist nationalism of either a race or country rather than mere patriotism. Coupled with this is a belief that the nation (either geographic or racial) is in decay or crisis and radical action is required to halt or reverse it. The ‘nation’, however defined, usually includes an in-group that is under threat and an out-group/enemy, usually now identified as Islam and Muslims though this can be any minority community. Comes as a complete definition not a pick n mix, but a person could be a "shooter" and be far right as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted September 20, 2019 Report Share Posted September 20, 2019 So using this take the massively antisemitic and Marxist momentum movement in the current "socialist" parties are actually extreme right wingers - pull the other one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted September 20, 2019 Report Share Posted September 20, 2019 4 hours ago, Scully said: At what point does someone on the far right, become an extremist? As soon as they voted leave if the Brexit thread is anything to go by.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted September 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, Yellow Bear said: So using this take the massively antisemitic and Marxist momentum movement in the current "socialist" parties are actually extreme right wingers - pull the other one. Have another read, the bit where it mentions centre right... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted September 20, 2019 Report Share Posted September 20, 2019 48 minutes ago, henry d said: far right is being defined as an umbrella term that encompasses those individuals and organisations whose political outlook is more extreme or hardline than those of the centre-right of the political spectrum, primarily on issues such as race,culture, immigration, or identity. In practice, this usually means a belief in exceptionalist nationalism of either a race or country rather than mere patriotism. Coupled with this is a belief that the nation (either geographic or racial) is in decay or crisis and radical action is required to halt or reverse it. The ‘nation’, however defined, usually includes an in-group that is under threat and an out-group/enemy, usually now identified as Islam and Muslims though this can be any minority community. I did read it and the massively antisemitic and Marxist momentum movement are more extreme and /or hardline than the centre right. 25 minutes ago, Yellow Bear said: So using this take the massively antisemitic and Marxist momentum movement in the current "socialist" parties are actually extreme right wingers - pull the other one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted September 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2019 You can't be on the right if you are on the left, or am I missing something? It would read; far left...blah... whose political outlook is more extreme or hardline than those of the CENTRE LEFT of the political spectrum... If it was defining the extreme left wing. Hopefully that explains it a bit better for you, as with scully it's not a pick n mix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted September 20, 2019 Report Share Posted September 20, 2019 (edited) According to the definition you posted I'm centre-right. I'm assuming all shooters sympathising with far right movements should inform their FEO forthwith? I'm still not sure where that definition leaves those who actively participate in attempts to have the result of a democratic vote overturned or indeed ignored. By anyones definition its extreme. Edited September 20, 2019 by Scully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted September 20, 2019 Report Share Posted September 20, 2019 6 minutes ago, henry d said: You can't be on the right if you are on the left, or am I missing something? It would read; far left...blah... whose political outlook is more extreme or hardline than those of the CENTRE LEFT of the political spectrum... If it was defining the extreme left wing. Hopefully that explains it a bit better for you, as with scully it's not a pick n mix. Is far right violence , different to far left violence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted September 20, 2019 Report Share Posted September 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Is far right violence , different to far left violence Indeed. One mans terrorist is anothers freedom fighter. Was Mandella a terrorist or a freedom fighter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted September 20, 2019 Report Share Posted September 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, Scully said: Indeed. One mans terrorist is anothers freedom fighter. Was Mandella a terrorist or a freedom fighter? Whoever writes the history decides..personally I am indifferent to him. Guy Fawkes now, thats an interesting one... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted September 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2019 28 minutes ago, Scully said: According to the definition you posted I'm centre-right. I'm assuming all shooters sympathising with far right movements should inform their FEO forthwith? The definition is for far right extremism, it does not define centre right. If you are thinking of doing or planning anything violent or to assist others to plan/doing violent acts then, I would bypass the FEO and just hand yourself into the nearest nick, but I'm sure you are not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted September 20, 2019 Report Share Posted September 20, 2019 11 minutes ago, henry d said: The definition is for far right extremism, it does not define centre right. If you are thinking of doing or planning anything violent or to assist others to plan/doing violent acts then, I would bypass the FEO and just hand yourself into the nearest nick, but I'm sure you are not. So even if you think about doing anything violent you need to hand yourself in ? I wonder what the police would say if you did just that, maybe arrest you for wasting police time ? Have we reached the age of'thought crime ' already ...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted September 20, 2019 Report Share Posted September 20, 2019 Really? It defines far right as an extreme version of centre right, unless I’ve read it wrong.....’more extreme or hardline of the centre-right’, therefore centre-right is simply a diluted, or more tolerant version of far right. Simples. 🙂 What does that make someone who actively campaigns to have the democratic process such as the referendum result, overturned or ignored? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted September 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2019 50 minutes ago, Scully said: Really? It defines far right as an extreme version of centre right, unless I’ve read it wrong.....’more extreme or hardline of the centre-right’, therefore centre-right is simply a diluted, or more tolerant version of far right. Simples. 🙂 pretty much What does that make someone who actively campaigns to have the democratic process such as the referendum result, overturned or ignored? A campaigner, they are doing something that they are legally allowed to do, they aren't shooting, stabbing, driving a vehicle, or whatever violent method they use, on innocent people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted September 20, 2019 Report Share Posted September 20, 2019 (edited) 20 minutes ago, henry d said: A campaigner, they are doing something that they are legally allowed to do, they aren't shooting, stabbing, driving a vehicle, or whatever violent method they use, on innocent people. AFTER the implementation of the result I could agree with. Trying to stop that result being implemented makes them many things in my view, none of them pleasant. Quite an ‘extreme’ act to boot. You sure about the violence on innocent people part? 🤔 Edited September 20, 2019 by Scully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
del.gue Posted September 20, 2019 Report Share Posted September 20, 2019 Oh what a mess. Left or right we seem to always want to pigeon hole people. Both left and right can be evil... but it seems lately that its acceptable to be leftist and shout about it, but not if your right leaning. Both extremes seem to be the same...hitler was regarded as nazi and right wing... but his party was...the national socialists? Hmmmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted September 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Scully said: You sure about the violence on innocent people part? Yep, no matter which side of the divide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted September 20, 2019 Report Share Posted September 20, 2019 8 minutes ago, henry d said: Yep, no matter which side of the divide. I think we’ve already established throwing stuff at people is violence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted September 21, 2019 Report Share Posted September 21, 2019 12 hours ago, henry d said: Yep, no matter which side of the divide. What about the authorities in France, Turkey, the US and HK, gassing, beating and killing peaceful protestors? Where do they appear on your spectrum? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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