strimmer_13 Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 What's the thoughts on hades. I've tried searching for previous threads and only found one about fac levels in 25. Got some in 22 delivered and wondering if its a gimic or are they as accurate as the other jsbs in sub12ftlb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 Generally out to 50 yds they are as accurate as 16 grn exacts .beyond - not so much as the lower bc starts to show with extra drop .wind drift and dispersion. As far as expansion . (Havent tested them for this myself )but sub 12 the reports are that there isnt enough velocity . Id guess tho up to 50 yds fac would be ok 177 hades would make much more sense at sub 12 .as the h+n hunter extreems at 9.5 grns are awesome and really hit rabbits hard out to 45 yds .even sub 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strimmer_13 Posted March 23, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 I'll try them in the cyclone up to 40 yards alongside airarms diablos. Might have some heavys here as well. Ill also whack a few through a rapid running at 32ftlb when I get the chance. Didnt know if they were a bit of a gimic, after looking at the heads on them, didn't think they'd expand much through sub 12, bit like the bisley pest control (tho granted they were heavy, and really only for fac I believe) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 (edited) Thing is pellets dont really expand much at all inside quarry irrespective of the speed or design . Animals just arent made of stuff hard enough for expansion. The best energy transfer you can get from any pellet is a flat head .177 going as fas as possible when it hits . It wont expand much but it will flatten and compress somewhat and thats what does the damage . The hades will kill better than the equivalent 16 grn jsb but the slight advantage wont make up for poor shot placement . Small example i shot a pigeon at 10 yds with a 5.5 fpe superdome and killed it stone dead . (Got him in the neck lights out) my mate shot 2 jds with a 30 fpe .22 jsb exacts .they flew off . Poor shot placement . No amount of energy or pellet design will compensate for it . Edited March 23, 2020 by Ultrastu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strimmer_13 Posted March 23, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 7 minutes ago, Ultrastu said: Poor shot placement . 100% on that. Always has been with me. I'd rather drop the power and gain the accuracy. That's how I tune my springers if need be. But Only last year I was on here about using the jsbs and not getting a thoroughly clean kill with my 22 on close range rabbits. Go for behind the eye, and every shot connected where I needed but couldn't figure out why it passed straight through when my old supersport would stop them dead. (Guessing the supersport was running about 9ftlb back then) My falcon in 177 didn't have any runners when I took that out the week previous. They went down but not 100% lights out, where I'm used to hop and drop. Ill try them out and see what happens then, I'll keep practicing and practicing but the cyclone seems quite pellet fussy, i must have 10 different tins in the draw for it. Unless I flog it and get a super 10 in 177.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 Well the one pellet ive found that drops rabbits the fastest from a sub 12 is a .177 hunter extreem . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strimmer_13 Posted March 24, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2020 12 hours ago, Ultrastu said: Well the one pellet ive found that drops rabbits the fastest from a sub 12 is a .177 hunter extreem . Not in 22? Rarely take the falcon out now, it's more than capable if not as accurate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted March 24, 2020 Report Share Posted March 24, 2020 No . Think they are 19 grns in .22 Too slow and heavy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arron yeates Posted March 24, 2020 Report Share Posted March 24, 2020 Stu what is the BC of the 5.5mm hades as there not on strelok pro and the owner of strelock cant find out what it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted March 24, 2020 Report Share Posted March 24, 2020 I dont know .i havent tested them My mate has some for his fx. So if i see him i might be able to get some to test . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arron yeates Posted March 24, 2020 Report Share Posted March 24, 2020 How do you test for bc if you dont no what it is then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted March 24, 2020 Report Share Posted March 24, 2020 https://hardairmagazine.com/ballistic-coefficients/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted March 24, 2020 Report Share Posted March 24, 2020 53 minutes ago, Arron yeates said: How do you test for bc if you dont no what it is then I dont understand the question ? I fire 5 pellets over 2 chronos one at the muzzle .the other at 20 yds . The difference in velocity between the 2 is the rate of deceleration. And from that i work out an average Bc of the pellet . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arron yeates Posted March 24, 2020 Report Share Posted March 24, 2020 Question answered lol. However what do you do, just input calculations into a formular or into a balistic app Hope that made sense lol 2 hours ago, Mice! said: https://hardairmagazine.com/ballistic-coefficients/ Top man. See the daft thing, jsb dont even know the bc of them as tgey dont state it anywhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted March 24, 2020 Report Share Posted March 24, 2020 Into chairgun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted March 26, 2020 Report Share Posted March 26, 2020 I've posted a few times about the Hades in .22 Check them over a chrono in sub12 I find they can add near on a foot pound over standard JSB Exacts or AAFD, unles I've got a dodgy undersized head batch. On 24/03/2020 at 16:16, Arron yeates said: How do you test for bc if you dont no what it is then Speed drop from muzzle over known distance gives you your BC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strimmer_13 Posted March 26, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2020 29 minutes ago, figgy said: I've posted a few times about the Hades in .22 Check them over a chrono in sub12 I find they can add near on a foot pound over standard JSB Exacts or AAFD, unles I've got a dodgy undersized head batch. Ill chrono them in the garage this afternoon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arron yeates Posted March 26, 2020 Report Share Posted March 26, 2020 (edited) Yeah be good to know what it is. My Imp likes them at 20m would need to tey them further out though Edited March 26, 2020 by Arron yeates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strimmer_13 Posted March 28, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2020 Anybody seen these on the bay? Don't people know about the old school way of making these but at a 1/1000 of the cost. £10 for 50 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted March 29, 2020 Report Share Posted March 29, 2020 What are they, cleaning pellets? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strimmer_13 Posted March 29, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2020 9 minutes ago, figgy said: What are they, cleaning pellets? No pellets with a charge in of some sort that explode. Suppose to be a flash as well. We used to make them all the time by turning a 22 the wrong way around, so skirt in first with a red match head snapped off and stuck in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted March 29, 2020 Report Share Posted March 29, 2020 AHH I see now. I preferred as a youth near empty aerosol tins next to a fire and shoot them, spin allover with nice flame thrower effect. A big no no these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snipper Posted March 29, 2020 Report Share Posted March 29, 2020 On 23/03/2020 at 19:23, strimmer_13 said: What's the thoughts on hades. I've tried searching for previous threads and only found one about fac levels in 25. Got some in 22 delivered and wondering if its a gimic or are they as accurate as the other jsbs in sub12ftlb This isn't a bad watch I've found the hades to be as accurate as jsb exacts in my sub 12''s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted March 29, 2020 Report Share Posted March 29, 2020 OMG - I find that guys voice so condescending - mind you as a Insomnia sufferer I find his clips invaluable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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