Sxs choke

[TIGHTCHOKE]

1 minute ago, London Best said:

You noticed too!

Strangely the "understanding" ranges from "oh, is there choke in my gun?" to completely over the top changing a multi-choke for every different stand.

I once went round a layout and one of the squad would change his chokes before we set off for the next stand, however familiar he was with the ground, he could not know which choke would be appropriate for each target.

[figgy]

The right choke is whatever gives you confidence.

I leave the half in my gun, does all I need.

[London Best]

15 minutes ago, figgy said:

The right choke is whatever gives you confidence.

I leave the half in my gun, does all I need.

Not a bad answer.

I don’t shoot clays really. But I do know that 25 years after the invention of choke it was established that the best choke for general all-round field shooting in this country was as little choke as possible. That was 120 years ago, and little has changed in general shooting, but today many seem to think they need 3/4 and full choke to shoot normal farm shoot tree top pheasants and partridges combined with 36 grams of No. 4’s or 5’s. 

[wymberley]

12 hours ago, London Best said:

Not a bad answer.

I don’t shoot clays really. But I do know that 25 years after the invention of choke it was established that the best choke for general all-round field shooting in this country was as little choke as possible. That was 120 years ago, and little has changed in general shooting, but today many seem to think they need 3/4 and full choke to shoot normal farm shoot tree top pheasants and partridges combined with 36 grams of No. 4’s or 5’s. 

Amazing isn't it? The minimum amount of choke possible gives the Gun the best advantage. On the other hand of course, insufficient reflects little or no respect for the quarry. It would appear that many still adhere to the 3 pellets plus 10% for stringing idea despite  all of the studies carried out in the 70s/80s which if nothing else resulted after many decades in a change to the Eley Diary. I always think that it's a crying shame that there's many English SxSs with quite open chokes which are perfectly adequate for the shooting quoted are stuck on RFDs' shelves instead of being in use in the field for that type of shoot.

[London Best]

52 minutes ago, wymberley said:

Amazing isn't it? The minimum amount of choke possible gives the Gun the best advantage. On the other hand of course, insufficient reflects little or no respect for the quarry. 

I cannot agree with your last sentence, unless, of course, somebody is trying to shoot at stupid ranges.

If the minimum choke gives the gun the best advantage, which we agree, how can any choke be insufficient?

[wymberley]

6 minutes ago, London Best said:

I cannot agree with your last sentence, unless, of course, somebody is trying to shoot at stupid ranges.

If the minimum choke gives the gun the best advantage, which we agree, how can any choke be insufficient?

!st. I'm suprised that you disagree. We know why they're on the shelf is because people now prefer OUs, tighter chokes and heavy loads to do the same job for which a more open SbS with appropriate cartridges is petrfectly capable. Not criticising, it's just a shame that these guns are not doing what they were designed for.

2nd. I Concede that I didn't think that I needed to add "necessary" after 'minimum'. Naturally, I did not mean that minimum means very little or some folk would think that it's perfectly feasible that as they (and this is just an example - I have NOT checked the figures) are able to kill a cock pheasant cleanly at a given range with the minimum necessary choke for that application that they can also cleanly kill a pigeon with the same gun and cartridge at the same range with the same choke.

[wymberley]

45 minutes ago, London Best said:

I cannot agree with your last sentence, unless, of course, somebody is trying to shoot at stupid ranges.

If the minimum choke gives the gun the best advantage, which we agree, how can any choke be insufficient?

@LB On reading my reply to your post, I now realise that perhaps you were not replying to my whole post (for which I replied) but just the two elements of it that you quoted.

However, if so my apologies, but whereas  my 2 points may not be in the same  order as yours, they are covered.

[London Best]

44 minutes ago, wymberley said:

@LB On reading my reply to your post, I now realise that perhaps you were not replying to my whole post (for which I replied) but just the two elements of it that you quoted.

However, if so my apologies, but whereas  my 2 points may not be in the same  order as yours, they are covered.

Yes, I had worked that out thank you. Absolutely no apologies necessary.

[Dave at kelton]

As one who shoots percussion as part of a team of muzzle loaders I always find many of the arguments about choke amusing. We have no choke, kill our bags, and do not have runners all over the fields. Often this is something of a surprise to the pickers up.

Even when using these new fangled over and under thingys i fit improved and quarter for my general shooting. Only the wildfowling guns have any amount of choke.

[London Best]

Thank you, Dave. I concur.

[DUNKS]

40 minutes ago, Dave at kelton said:

As one who shoots percussion as part of a team of muzzle loaders I always find many of the arguments about choke amusing. We have no choke, kill our bags, and do not have runners all over the fields. Often this is something of a surprise to the pickers up.

Even when using these new fangled over and under thingys i fit improved and quarter for my general shooting. Only the wildfowling guns have any amount of choke.

With your none choked percussion black powder guns "It's the smoke that kills em"

[London Best]

Just now, DUNKS said:

With your none choked percussion black powder guns "It's the smoke that kills em"

No, it’s the shooter that the smoke does no favours.

[Dave at kelton]

1 minute ago, DUNKS said:

With your none choked percussion black powder guns "It's the smoke that kills em"

Not really sure can’t see em for the smoke just listen for the “thump”😂

1 minute ago, London Best said:

No, it’s the shooter that the smoke does no favours.

But it’s a lovely sight blowing down the line😁