pigeonbasher oz Posted November 14, 2021 Report Share Posted November 14, 2021 Hi Iv purchased a simson suhl single trigger ej o/u east german made. However info is limited ? Anyone shed any light on it please. ( States full imp choke on.lower barrel?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted November 14, 2021 Report Share Posted November 14, 2021 They were imported by Viking Arms (from memory) in the mid 1980s. Budget look alike of Merkel. Mate had one - quite well made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunman Posted November 15, 2021 Report Share Posted November 15, 2021 After the creation of East Germany the 3 Companies of Haenel , Merkel and Simson were combined . The shotguns all based on what we can call the basic Merkel design . The Simson branded guns were the basic range usualy plain guns with boarder lie engraving and plain wood . Higher grades were branded/sold under the Merkel name . They are all the same gun . The single triggers were similar to that of Westley Richards and were/are over complex and did cause some problems . This was frequently manifest in the fact that they did not work well with light trigger pulls . All these guns made under the GDR government suffered for the same problem of lack of investment ,sticking to traditional methods of manufacture and designs that were long out dated . They were not alone in this and you can see a direct comparison with Webley and Scott in the UK . As a result the build quality was not as good as it should have been . It worked when it left the factory attitude and men who had lost pride in their workmanship under management that just wanted the product out of the door . I did see quite a few of theses as I did warrantee and repair work for Viking so got to know them quite well .I also worked for Webley in the latter years so saw first hand how once great companies can decline through inaction and complacency . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wisdom Posted November 15, 2021 Report Share Posted November 15, 2021 That's a very fine consice answer. The power of pigeon watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeonbasher oz Posted November 16, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2021 Thanks all may be returning it. It was advertised as qtr and full. Reality its half and extra full !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted November 16, 2021 Report Share Posted November 16, 2021 1 hour ago, pigeonbasher oz said: Thanks all may be returning it. It was advertised as qtr and full. Reality its half and extra full !!!! It is very easy to have the chokes opened out a bit. Don’t get hung up on it, it’s no big deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeonbasher oz Posted November 17, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2021 Well iv actually tried it on the clays its blooming fantastic . Keeper it is. Cheers folks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 17, 2021 Report Share Posted November 17, 2021 40 minutes ago, pigeonbasher oz said: Well iv actually tried it on the clays its blooming fantastic . Keeper it is. Cheers folks 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted November 18, 2021 Report Share Posted November 18, 2021 12 hours ago, pigeonbasher oz said: Well iv actually tried it on the clays its blooming fantastic . I am very fond of the way a (same basic design) Merkel handles. Whilst they look rather 'Germanically' heavy, in my view the handling is 'nimble', I think because the weight is in fact quite moderate (mine are comfortably under 7 1/2 lbs) and seems to be very much concentrated in the centre between the hands. It seems to work for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 18, 2021 Report Share Posted November 18, 2021 12 hours ago, pigeonbasher oz said: Well iv actually tried it on the clays its blooming fantastic . Keeper it is. Cheers folks Do you have any pics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeonbasher oz Posted November 18, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2021 Im at work will post some I think its 1950s one????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted November 18, 2021 Report Share Posted November 18, 2021 Hello, I remember buying Brno O/U in the 1980s , built like the Baikel , solid and heavy, can't remember model, double trigger but back one fired off both barrels as well, a cracker then for high pheasant clays Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted November 18, 2021 Report Share Posted November 18, 2021 1 hour ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, I remember buying Brno O/U in the 1980s , built like the Baikel , solid and heavy, can't remember model, double trigger but back one fired off both barrels as well, a cracker then for high pheasant clays The quality of manufacture of the BRNO stuff far exceeds the quality of the Baikal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeonbasher oz Posted November 18, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2021 Well for what Iv read the year of manufacture is stamped on serial number?? So looks like mine was made Aug 52? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wisdom Posted November 19, 2021 Report Share Posted November 19, 2021 On 18/11/2021 at 10:20, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, I remember buying Brno O/U in the 1980s , built like the Baikel , solid and heavy, can't remember model, double trigger but back one fired off both barrels as well, a cracker then for high pheasant clays I had one for years (brno) it had Cutts compensator slots in the muzzles.A strange sliding breech no choke in either barrell.One of the best guns I ever owned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeonbasher oz Posted November 21, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 Photos as promised Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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