Sussexboy Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 Heard on the news tonight that a dog had been found stabbed to death in a park in Brighton. The RSPCA were appealing for witnesses. Surely this is a police matter as a criminal offence has been committed. What has it got to do with a 'charity', or do they think that the new animal welfare laws give them more power? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 Being as they are in league with the government, and as they are "associated" with animal "welfare" the government don't see that the RSPCA calling for something does not equate to them doing same. The RSPCA are a really crafty bunch, having managed to get themselves almost police-type powers, even where they don't they dress as close as possible to police officers and regularly "impersonate" them in order to gain access to premises based on the public misunderstanding that they have any kind of rights (which they don't). Boils my ****. Every single one of the higher ranks is associated with or heavily involved in terrorist-like animal rights or activist organisations. They are clever though, it will take some effort to persuade the average daily mail reader they are not what they seem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest raymond1 Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 Heard on the news tonight that a dog had been found stabbed to death in a park in Brighton. The RSPCA were appealing for witnesses. Surely this is a police matter as a criminal offence has been committed. What has it got to do with a 'charity', or do they think that the new animal welfare laws give them more power? they have "plucked" on the publics "heart strings" long enough so a move to become the Animal police should be expected ,they revel in new laws of animal welfare ,and stories of dogs being stabbed to death give them even more ammunition what they crave for ,i think your quite right in saying it should be a criminal matter for the police to investigate because the phsycopath that commited this crime needs the attention of more of than a charitable organisation like the RSPCA, i would sujest the removal of his bo££ok$ with an axe as a means of sentencing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cartridge Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 (edited) RSPCA **** me off i hate them, do you know the have as much power as you or me(but they think they have more) The only way they can take people to court is because of the criminal and justice act, its called a private prosecution but anyone can do that. Edited October 4, 2007 by henry d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 Raymond1 hit the nail on the head. They have managed to get themselves into the position, in the hears of the nation, that they are the "Animal Police". Some of the work they do is valid, protecting animals from cruelty - Nobody here would argue there are animals which are subjected to cruelty and should deserve better... The problem comes from the agenda the top brass have, slowly bur surely they are working towards their aims. People need to wake up, look behind the façade and see what they really want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cartridge Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 There are loads of storys about them (bad ones), They put animal's down for whatever reason(homeless,fleas,anything) and they demand power i beleave in animal charitys to help animal's but NOT the RSPCA. Its in the best intrest for animals they are not there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodmedod.one Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 I never had a lot of time for them before, but after my last experience with them I think they are useless. I found a Tawny Owl in the middle of the road on Christmas Day evening a couple of years ago. I stopped to pick it up and it didn't have a mark on it apart from a broken wing. Directly above where I found it were some telephone cables so I assume it must have flown into them. I gently felt around the break. There was no puncturing of the skin and the bone was snapped, not shattered. I took it home and phoned the RSPCA. They said they would get the nearest available inspector to contact me. sure enough, a few minutes later the guy phoned me. I explained the situation and he said he would come and pick it up. He had to travel 20 miles to my house. In the best interests of the Owl and seeing as it was Christmas, I offered to meet the guy half way. We met at the side of the road. He looked at the Bird, gave its broken wing a good move about (when I had already told him which wing was injured and where the break was), and then said "I will put it down, it isn't worth trying to save. :( I have friend who is very knowledgeable with birds of prey who could very probably have fixed the wing. Worst case he would have amputated it and the bird could have lived out its days (illegally) in one of his aviaries. Because I did the right thing the bird was murdered by an employee of an animal welfare charity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russuk Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 There's quite a few horror stories about the RSPCA on here. A lot of the posts in this thread are spot on, the RSPCA have cultivated a public perception of being an enpowered police type force for animals, which is believed by a worrying amount of the population. Of course this hasn't been for the reason of animal welfare, it's to further their left-wing radical animal rights agenda. They are anti shooting and anti fieldsports. Enough said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Country Boy Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 RSPCA- every single one of the higher ranks is associated with or heavily involved in terrorist-like animal rights or activist organisations. They are clever though, it will take some effort to persuade the average daily mail reader they are not what they seem. So Pin, How would you define the average Daily Mail reader? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berettaman1 Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 RSPCA- every single one of the higher ranks is associated with or heavily involved in terrorist-like animal rights or activist organisations. They are clever though, it will take some effort to persuade the average daily mail reader they are not what they seem. So Pin, How would you define the average Daily Mail reader? Hey now steady on, Pin I read the Mail, the mirror, The Sun,The Express,Etc, Rabid right winger I was described as once, by Anti field sports demonstrators when I was stopped from going down a lane by a scruffy bunch of loony left wingers who were trying to disrupt a fox hunt some years ago.I wasnt following the hunt just trying to get home, told them to ---- off and was booed, had spit all over my van and a fistdrum roll on its roof as I pushed my way through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sussexboy Posted October 4, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 My family all have strict instructions that if a RSPCA operative comes to the door for any reason then they are to be turned away. If they have come to demand entry then they are to be told to "go away" and come back with a warrant and a real policeman. I have told both my friends as well. (All right so one of them is imaginary, but he's very nice!!) I still have trouble explaining to the more senior female type members of our family and hangers on that the RSPCA and the IFAW are not good places to be putting their money - do they listen - pah!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurch Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 Wasn't there something in the latest animal welfare bill affording the RSPCA 'powers'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEFTY478 Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 I believe that they have the power to "GET OFF MY LAND!!!" Or, they would if I had any. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyjaimz Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 I've never had any experiance with the RSPCA, so all this is news to me. What is there real agenda then? the story about them putting the owl down was pretty dissapointing as I always had them down as people who saved animals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sussexboy Posted October 4, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 Wasn't there something in the latest animal welfare bill affording the RSPCA 'powers'? They would have liked there to have been, during the draft proposals there was a time when it was mooted that the RSPCA would have the power to enter your property and seize animals and documents. However someone at DEFRA saw sense. This from their website: "However, the law (like most laws) is a ‘common informer’s Act’. This means that anyone is allowed to bring a prosecution for an offence. In practice, as now, the RSPCA intends to investigate many offences relating to animal cruelty or welfare of domestic animals, and in some cases farmed animals, and bring prosecutions where appropriate. However, the RSPCA does not have formal enforcement powers such as power of entry or the power to seize documents. For more information, please see the RSPCA website." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russuk Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 I've never had any experiance with the RSPCA, so all this is news to me. What is there real agenda then? the story about them putting the owl down was pretty dissapointing as I always had them down as people who saved animals They're an anti-hunt, anti-shooting, anti-fieldsport, anti-docking political pressure group run by radical animal rights activists like Jackie Ballard, who use the guise of being a charity who rescues fluffy kittens to further there AR agenda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wookie Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 The Mail today had a great article about a family farm worth £1.5m that was left to them. They cleared the house of all items (netted them 13k) then skipped the rest. The farm is now up for sale. The kicker is that the people that left it to the RSPCA have a daughter and she got left out of the will completely. Said her parents had never made a donation to them or anything and is basically taking them to court to try and keep the place in the family. Good luck to her I say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cartridge Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 Some charitys are non-profit but RSPCA are completely the other way, And also i bet they fund animal rights activists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 Anyone wanting a bit more info concerning the RSPCA, have a look at this link. We got this on one of the bird forums I frequent, sound bit of advice, keep it in mind. http://the-shg.org/Basic%20legal%20advice%...et%20owners.htm BJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagsy Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 I agree with the sentiments of this thread, but on the flip side if you have nothing to hide why not show them if they come knocking? When I was away on a course the Mrs got a visit from the RSPCA. They'd had a report we kept a dog in a shed from one of our righteous neighbours. It was summer, the kids were in the garden with other children and the dog was indeed in a shed - a 6x4 shed built as a kennel with a large purpose built run attached to which the dog has free access!! The guy couldn't have been happier and commented that he wished more people kept their dog in the manner we do. He said he'd make a note so that if the neighbour rang again they wouldn't bother sending anyone out. That was a couple of years ago and we've heard nothing since. I agree they have no right of entry and have no time for them. But why bring more aggro on yourself (all of which can be very time consuming) if you don't have to? The neighbour in question? Who knows, but I bet it's the 'animal lover' a few doors away with a massively overweight dog who leaves it in on it's own all day locked in the house while she's at work - and then at night when she goes out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest raymond1 Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 (edited) Wasn't there something in the latest animal welfare bill affording the RSPCA 'powers'? They would have liked there to have been, during the draft proposals there was a time when it was mooted that the RSPCA would have the power to enter your property and seize animals and documents. However someone at DEFRA saw sense. This from their website: "However, the law (like most laws) is a ‘common informer’s Act’. This means that anyone is allowed to bring a prosecution for an offence. In practice, as now, the RSPCA intends to investigate many offences relating to animal cruelty or welfare of domestic animals, and in some cases farmed animals, and bring prosecutions where appropriate. However, the RSPCA does not have formal enforcement powers such as power of entry or the power to seize documents. For more information, please see the RSPCA website." a charitable organisation with powers of entry ,.........thats what they are seeking ,............UFO well it sounds like that that has been my statement to them since they told me you ready for this i have fat dogs every other old girl in the area should be up for prosecution ,.............the RSPCA are a bunch of self appionted ,self oppinionated ,five knuckle shufflers, i wont say anymore about the ******* Edited October 5, 2007 by henry d swearing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurcherboy Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 I never had a lot of time for them before, but after my last experience with them I think they are useless. I found a Tawny Owl in the middle of the road on Christmas Day evening a couple of years ago. I stopped to pick it up and it didn't have a mark on it apart from a broken wing. Directly above where I found it were some telephone cables so I assume it must have flown into them. I gently felt around the break. There was no puncturing of the skin and the bone was snapped, not shattered. I took it home and phoned the RSPCA. They said they would get the nearest available inspector to contact me. sure enough, a few minutes later the guy phoned me. I explained the situation and he said he would come and pick it up. He had to travel 20 miles to my house. In the best interests of the Owl and seeing as it was Christmas, I offered to meet the guy half way. We met at the side of the road. He looked at the Bird, gave its broken wing a good move about (when I had already told him which wing was injured and where the break was), and then said "I will put it down, it isn't worth trying to save. :( I have friend who is very knowledgeable with birds of prey who could very probably have fixed the wing. Worst case he would have amputated it and the bird could have lived out its days (illegally) in one of his aviaries. Because I did the right thing the bird was murdered by an employee of an animal welfare charity. That stinks I stopped supporting them years ago when they stole my mates terriers, rehoused them, told him to %%%% off. He could have gone through the courts but unlike them he didn't have unlimited funds. I feel sorry for the genuine officers that do good but the rest of them can burn. LB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurcherboy Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 Anyone wanting a bit more info concerning the RSPCA, have a look at this link. We got this on one of the bird forums I frequent, sound bit of advice, keep it in mind. http://the-shg.org/Basic%20legal%20advice%...et%20owners.htm BJ. This should be a 'pinned' topic I knew a fair bit of that Bazooka Joe but not all of it, many thanks LB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkshire Pudding Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 I'm sure i have posted this on here before . I once had a visit a few years ago from the RSPCA , the fine officer turned up at my door and demanded to inspect my dog , as he had heard that i had been treating the boy cruely . I asked him who had said this and what was the cruelty thing about ? He said that someone had told them that i was using the boy to kill foxes ( now this was when it was legal) . I told him that he must have his facts wrong . He once again asked to see the dog , and that he could come in my house without permission , if he tohught that i was miss-treating any animals . This got my back up , he was told to go fourth , an get the police with a search warrant , and whilest he was going fourth he may as well go down the road to number (45) and check out her fat , may i say obese dog . The Rspca officer never came back . They do keep on putting them sacks thorugh my door for clothes and books etc .... I just put the boys **** in it an leave out put for 'em . Needless to say the anti at (45) had a dead un chucked over her wall . all the best yis yp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustyfox Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 I never had a lot of time for them before, but after my last experience with them I think they are useless. I found a Tawny Owl in the middle of the road on Christmas Day evening a couple of years ago. I stopped to pick it up and it didn't have a mark on it apart from a broken wing. Directly above where I found it were some telephone cables so I assume it must have flown into them. I gently felt around the break. There was no puncturing of the skin and the bone was snapped, not shattered. I took it home and phoned the RSPCA. They said they would get the nearest available inspector to contact me. sure enough, a few minutes later the guy phoned me. I explained the situation and he said he would come and pick it up. He had to travel 20 miles to my house. In the best interests of the Owl and seeing as it was Christmas, I offered to meet the guy half way. We met at the side of the road. He looked at the Bird, gave its broken wing a good move about (when I had already told him which wing was injured and where the break was), and then said "I will put it down, it isn't worth trying to save. :( I have friend who is very knowledgeable with birds of prey who could very probably have fixed the wing. Worst case he would have amputated it and the bird could have lived out its days (illegall.y) in one of his aviaries. Because I did the right thing the bird was murdered by an employee of an animal welfare charity. I am into birds of prey and I think that the owl should of gone to a person who knows about them and has a suitable housing for it. If they found a swan with a broken wing I am sure they would fix it. I think he killed it because he did not know wat to do and that was the only answer he could say. mean look at foxes they rescue them, release them out in the wild where there is lamping going on. If i resued an injured fox I would shoot it cause their is no where for it to go. RSPCA should stick to rescueing dogs and cats that are mistreated and let wildlife like owls be treated by local experts or qualified vets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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