Scully Posted July 21, 2022 Report Share Posted July 21, 2022 Was having a browse through some of these I’ve had for years, and came across this advert in a 1999 edition: Possible answer to steel shot in older guns? I have no idea if these are still available, or even if they were ever a viable option. 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted July 21, 2022 Report Share Posted July 21, 2022 (edited) No they weren't a magic bullet and it's been well written up. If these are Teague's permanent re-lining tubes? Some problems being that despite looking nice and fine from outside the balance and handling went all to pot. I personally can't see why that should be if the same amount of steel was removed but that's what's said. More serious difficulties were that dents could no longer be removed (apparently) and that there would be some sort of "bubbling" of the glue between the liner and the barrel. I write as someone who has never handled a Teague lined gun. I have however handled and indeed do and did own WELL DONE steel (not Damascus) sleeved guns. If done with skill the join can't be seen when the barrels are struck off and reblacked. Badly done and yes there's a tell tale ring of braze. Modern sleeving is done by ribbon welding (I'm told) and is virtually impossible to see from the outside. OTOH SCULLY the article appears to be something totally different like American three set 20, 28 and .410" Skeet tubes for a 12 bore gun? Edited July 21, 2022 by enfieldspares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted July 21, 2022 Report Share Posted July 21, 2022 25 minutes ago, enfieldspares said: No they weren't a magic bullet and it's been well written up. If these are Teague's permanent re-lining tubes? Some problems being that despite looking nice and fine from outside the balance and handling went all to pot. I personally can't see why that should be if the same amount of steel was removed but that's what's said. More serious difficulties were that dents could no longer be removed (apparently) and that there would be some sort of "bubbling" of the glue between the liner and the barrel. I write as someone who has never handled a Teague lined gun. I have however handled and indeed do and did own WELL DONE steel (not Damascus) sleeved guns. If done with skill the join can't be seen when the barrels are struck off and reblacked. Badly done and yes there's a tell tale ring of braze. Modern sleeving is done by ribbon welding (I'm told) and is virtually impossible to see from the outside. OTOH SCULLY the article appears to be something totally different like American three set 20, 28 and .410" Skeet tubes for a 12 bore gun? Now that would **** the balance up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted July 21, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2022 36 minutes ago, enfieldspares said: No they weren't a magic bullet and it's been well written up. If these are Teague's permanent re-lining tubes? Some problems being that despite looking nice and fine from outside the balance and handling went all to pot. I personally can't see why that should be if the same amount of steel was removed but that's what's said. More serious difficulties were that dents could no longer be removed (apparently) and that there would be some sort of "bubbling" of the glue between the liner and the barrel. I write as someone who has never handled a Teague lined gun. I have however handled and indeed do and did own WELL DONE steel (not Damascus) sleeved guns. If done with skill the join can't be seen when the barrels are struck off and reblacked. Badly done and yes there's a tell tale ring of braze. Modern sleeving is done by ribbon welding (I'm told) and is virtually impossible to see from the outside. OTOH SCULLY the article appears to be something totally different like American three set 20, 28 and .410" Skeet tubes for a 12 bore gun? Briley tubes. Designed to turn obsolete ( for whatever reason ) 12 bore guns into 20, 28 or .410. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted July 21, 2022 Report Share Posted July 21, 2022 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Scully said: Briley tubes. Designed to turn obsolete ( for whatever reason ) 12 bore guns into 20, 28 or .410. Yes. That's the ones. Thank you. I'd forgotten the name. And I think these Teague things are the same? They look the same? https://www.briley.com/c-238-tube-sets-accessories-and-cases.aspx I've seen the one American Skeet set of a 12 Bore Winchester O/U with then three sets of tubes in 20, 28 and .410". Edited July 21, 2022 by enfieldspares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave at kelton Posted July 21, 2022 Report Share Posted July 21, 2022 48 minutes ago, enfieldspares said: No they weren't a magic bullet and it's been well written up. If these are Teague's permanent re-lining tubes? Some problems being that despite looking nice and fine from outside the balance and handling went all to pot. I personally can't see why that should be if the same amount of steel was removed but that's what's said. More serious difficulties were that dents could no longer be removed (apparently) and that there would be some sort of "bubbling" of the glue between the liner and the barrel. I write as someone who has never handled a Teague lined gun. I have however handled and indeed do and did own WELL DONE steel (not Damascus) sleeved guns. If done with skill the join can't be seen when the barrels are struck off and reblacked. Badly done and yes there's a tell tale ring of braze. Modern sleeving is done by ribbon welding (I'm told) and is virtually impossible to see from the outside. OTOH SCULLY the article appears to be something totally different like American three set 20, 28 and .410" Skeet tubes for a 12 bore gun? Not Teague recining that I can make out. I have had two guns with lined Damascus barrels. A Purdey hammer that performed and handled fine but which I have since sold. I have retained a Charles Lancaster Hammer and that too handles fine. I did though have a fall and knocked the barrel lump off. Fear was that it could not be refitted using traditional solder without distorting barrels so insurers were ready to pay out the value of the gun. Graham Mackinley came to the rescue and resoldered without any problems whatsoever so back to a fully functional hammer gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted July 21, 2022 Report Share Posted July 21, 2022 Here's a video presentation: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted July 21, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2022 24 minutes ago, enfieldspares said: Yes. That's the ones. Thank you. I'd forgotten the name. And I think these Teague things are the same? They look the same? https://www.briley.com/c-238-tube-sets-accessories-and-cases.aspx I've seen the one American Skeet set of a 12 Bore Winchester O/U with then three sets of tubes in 20, 28 and .410". 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Boggy Posted July 22, 2022 Report Share Posted July 22, 2022 At the time those Teague liners really did seem the answer to giving life back into Damascus barrels and would have possibly enabled older English guns to be used with HP steel. Given the problems, I’m surprised that someone hasn’t come up with a solution to the problems encountered. Perhaps they have, but have been bought out by a manufacturer of modern guns for obvious commercial reasons. OB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simcgunner Posted August 2, 2022 Report Share Posted August 2, 2022 as a related note the Double gun journal will cease publication This month. What a shame it was a fine magazine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Croohur Posted August 2, 2022 Report Share Posted August 2, 2022 Oh no! I've only just started reading it in the past few months. While it understandably focused a lot of attention on American guns like Fox;s and Ithaca's it was incredibly well researched and well written. A real shame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted August 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2022 9 hours ago, simcgunner said: as a related note the Double gun journal will cease publication This month. What a shame it was a fine magazine. That’s a great shame. Will treasure mine even more so then; some stunning photography in them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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