WalkedUp Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/17/british-woman-fatally-shot-while-hunting-boar-in-france-prosecutor-says From initial reports it looks like an awful accident due to gross negligence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 I saw the report. As you say, some awful 'accident' - from the rather vague reports, it does sound like negligence, but the report I read was not very clear ("a shot fired from the shoulder backwards"). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkedUp Posted October 17, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 6 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: a shot fired from the shoulder backwards My picture of this description was a rifle carried on a sling muzzle up, but agree that either the police report or translation lacks clarity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 Translation problem, surely. "Reached" and "mounted" used out of context - in our case, the latter being unfortunate as we would assume shoulder mounted as opposed to rifle on a sling over the shoulder and instead of vertical one way or another (not to mention unloaded) was at 45 ish degrees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHenry Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 The report I read last night claimed it took place in a field of silage - whatever that is. I see the guardians now corrected that, but - and I know this seems like nitpicking when someone has tragically lost their life - it really doesn't instill confidence for accurate reporting around rural matters... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 I think much of the confusion arising from reporting these matters, is that those doing the reporting are totally unfamiliar with firearms and all aspects of hunting/shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 (edited) Picture rifle carried over right shoulder horizontally facing backwards with trigger guard against collar bone and Thumb inside guard and fingers of right hand wrapped around stock to balance it. The question is as always, when traveling (and not actually hunting), Why the FFFF was it loaded? Edited October 17, 2022 by Stonepark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHenry Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Scully said: I think much of the confusion arising from reporting these matters, is that those doing the reporting are totally unfamiliar with firearms and all aspects of hunting/shooting. Agreed 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 This is a great reason to always carry the gun slinged muzzle down . The worst that can happen is you shoot someone or yourself in the foot ,not usually as fatal as being shot in the head ,imo. Tragedy .but could have been avoided . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 10 minutes ago, Ultrastu said: This is a great reason to always carry the gun slinged muzzle down . The worst that can happen is you shoot someone or yourself in the foot ,not usually as fatal as being shot in the head ,imo. Tragedy .but could have been avoided . Why not simply unload and then the worst that can happen is...........nothing..........apart from it dropping on your toe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 7 hours ago, Stonepark said: Picture rifle carried over right shoulder horizontally facing backwards with trigger guard against collar bone and Thumb inside guard and fingers of right hand wrapped around stock to balance it. The question is as always, when traveling (and not actually hunting), Why the FFFF was it loaded? Whether the gun is loaded or not ( and personally I always carried mine loaded ) no harm can be done if there is no finger near the trigger and muzzle awareness is adhered to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 Unfortunately triggers can and do get pulled by things other than fingers . Getting caught on clothing or foliage happens . I suspect this is what happened in France. And is a good reason for a safety catch to be deployed .I still think unloaded while crossing ground would have been a better idea . Bolt forward no bullet in the chamber and the full mag sat under the bolt ready to go when a shot presents would be best if a chance shot is expected .its pretty quick to rack the bolt and chamber a round when time is short . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 22 minutes ago, Ultrastu said: Unfortunately triggers can and do get pulled by things other than fingers . Getting caught on clothing or foliage happens . I suspect this is what happened in France. And is a good reason for a safety catch to be deployed .I still think unloaded while crossing ground would have been a better idea . Bolt forward no bullet in the chamber and the full mag sat under the bolt ready to go when a shot presents would be best if a chance shot is expected .its pretty quick to rack the bolt and chamber a round when time is short . Yes, indeed they can. And like you say, apply a safety if you so wish. Whichever method anyone prefers, muzzle awareness is of utmost importance if you want to avoid shooting something you’d rather not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkedUp Posted October 17, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, Stonepark said: Picture rifle carried over right shoulder horizontally facing backwards with trigger guard against collar bone and Thumb inside guard and fingers of right hand wrapped around stock to balance it. Oh yes, I can “see” that now you describe it. Seems an utterly odd thing to do but then I do have to whip my pals for carrying broken guns with stocks over their shoulders (I assume this is due to them having heavy guns and puny arms). So perhaps he was tired and made a stupid, life ending mistake. This is why I firmly believe in fail safe. Muzzle awareness at all times and then sensible precautions to ensure the gun is only loaded when reasonably required. Edited October 17, 2022 by WalkedUp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted November 17, 2022 Report Share Posted November 17, 2022 More on the accidents in the French hunting pastimes. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11439883/French-hunter-apologises-shooting-dead-British-man-mistook-boar.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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