wymberley Posted November 3, 2022 Report Share Posted November 3, 2022 I'm losing the will to live let alone thinking of getting one of these. Can anyone confirm that there is such a thing and if so, who might stock it and also where might I find the full specifications? MTIA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted November 3, 2022 Report Share Posted November 3, 2022 Generally ask your rfd to order one from bsa . Maybe one of the new r12 versions ? I love the way my ultra clx works . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted November 3, 2022 Report Share Posted November 3, 2022 (edited) Nice looking rifle and a nice price, seems they are available In .177 FAC but order only.https://www.cheshiregunroom.com/bsa-r10-se-air-rifle Edited November 3, 2022 by old'un Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted November 3, 2022 Report Share Posted November 3, 2022 1 hour ago, wymberley said: I'm losing the will to live let alone thinking of getting one of these. Can anyone confirm that there is such a thing and if so, who might stock it and also where might I find the full specifications? MTIA Losing the will to live? Are you suggesting using a .177 to finish yourself off ? Might be a bit ineffective Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted November 3, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2022 4 minutes ago, Ultrastu said: Losing the will to live? Are you suggesting using a .177 to finish yourself off ? Might be a bit ineffective Like the man says, you just have to put it in the pattern. Knew I was right to ask on here, cheers, Guys. I'd been looking for a few of days and getting nowhere with multiple different answers to the same question. Just need the nominal stated energy level (I know, I know). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted November 3, 2022 Report Share Posted November 3, 2022 Good article here..https://www.gunmart.net/gun-reviews/airguns/fac-airguns/bsa-r10-fac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted November 3, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2022 1 hour ago, old'un said: Good article here..https://www.gunmart.net/gun-reviews/airguns/fac-airguns/bsa-r10-fac I'd read that a couple of times and thought that there were too many negative inferences regarding performance. I already have the 12ftlb R-10 (which my grand-daughter will have sooner rather than later if I do go for a FAC version) and really can't see the point of dishing out a grand for an extra 10 to 15 yards of range - 60 metres mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted November 3, 2022 Report Share Posted November 3, 2022 What is it wymberley that you want to know.? I'm sure I can help you. As I've got a lot of experience with fac bsa s . Owning both .177 and .22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted November 3, 2022 Report Share Posted November 3, 2022 As for energy levels . Bsa (and many others ) tend to set their fac .177 s between 17 and 19 fpe . This is with either a 8.4 grn (17 fpe ) and 10.5 grn 19 fpe . I've played with my fac .177 (as you can legally do ) and have come back down to around 17 fpe with 8.4 grn pellets . I've found that is the best blend of accuracy and energy /fall out risk . Funny how over 5 years of ownership and loads of pellets /slugs and power levels brings me back to exactly what bsa sets them at as best . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted November 3, 2022 Report Share Posted November 3, 2022 1 hour ago, wymberley said: I'd read that a couple of times and thought that there were too many negative inferences regarding performance. I already have the 12ftlb R-10 (which my grand-daughter will have sooner rather than later if I do go for a FAC version) and really can't see the point of dishing out a grand for an extra 10 to 15 yards of range - 60 metres mentioned. I guess the question I would ask you is why you are looking at that particular air rifle in .177 FAC, I am sure there must be just as capable air rifles out there and I am sure someone like Ultrastu could guide you to such rifles that meet your requirements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted November 3, 2022 Report Share Posted November 3, 2022 The big advantage of fac air over sub 12 .isn't the awesome amount of power. .Even a 50 fpe .25 cal isn't a huge amount of energy and can still mean a rabbit runs off if you hit it in he wrong place .conversely a sub 6 pistol will drop a rabbit clean as a whistle if you hit the sweet spot on the head. Within range . No the big advantage of fac air is trajectory .send a pellet (cal doesn't matter ) at 950 fps at you can have a 45 - 50 yd zero and drop only 4 inch from zero at 70 yds .as opposed to say a .177 sub 12 8.4 grn pellet that drops 9 inches from zero at 70 yds .that's a huge amount and makes 70 yds shots with a sub 12 .177 nigh on impossible to be consistent due to range finding issues alone . Oh just for reference a sub 12 .22 drops around 20 inches at 70 yds from 25 yd zero .that's ridiculous . What fac air means in real hunting senarios is that any quarry that presents around the 15 - 55 yd Mark you just ain't bang on and it should go down .now thats a pretty useful point blank range and helps with shots that need to be taken quickly (pigeon decoying or squirrel shooting .for instance ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted November 3, 2022 Report Share Posted November 3, 2022 If you already have an r10 sub 12 .? Why not just have it converted to fac ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted November 4, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2022 13 hours ago, Ultrastu said: What is it wymberley that you want to know.? I'm sure I can help you. As I've got a lot of experience with fac bsa s . Owning both .177 and .22 Thank you very much. Could I take a rain check on your kind offer, please? I had hoped to get things sorted, but no and I now have to put things on a back burner for a little while. 10 hours ago, Ultrastu said: If you already have an r10 sub 12 .? Why not just have it converted to fac ? Please see my last post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaman Posted November 4, 2022 Report Share Posted November 4, 2022 Far better guns to have in FAC . I for one wouldn’t have bsa FAC in any cal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted November 4, 2022 Report Share Posted November 4, 2022 38 minutes ago, villaman said: Far better guns to have in FAC . Such as? I for one wouldn’t have bsa FAC in any cal. Because? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted November 4, 2022 Report Share Posted November 4, 2022 1 hour ago, villaman said: Far better guns to have in FAC . I for one wouldn’t have bsa FAC in any cal 😅😅😅 But I wouldn't buy an FAC new, not when you see the prices second hand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaman Posted November 7, 2022 Report Share Posted November 7, 2022 On 04/11/2022 at 17:56, old'un said: Imo you can’t beat FX for FAC and that’s why I have two and will be buying a wildcat mk3 as well great for shot count and highly tuneable On 04/11/2022 at 18:42, Mice! said: 😅😅😅 But I wouldn't buy an FAC new, not when you see the prices second hand But I wouldn’t buy second hand either 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted November 7, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2022 41 minutes ago, villaman said: Imo you can’t beat FX for FAC and that’s why I have two and will be buying a wildcat mk3 as well great for shot count and highly tuneable But I wouldn’t buy second hand either 😉 Thought the idea was to shoot 'em. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted November 7, 2022 Report Share Posted November 7, 2022 47 minutes ago, villaman said: But I wouldn’t buy second hand either 😉 I know what you mean, but if you were pretty sure the gun hadn't been messed with then there are likely to be some real bargains available. I think the price of new PCPs are ridiculous, and the problem with buying new in FAC is what if the gun doesn't suit you they are harder to sell on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaman Posted November 7, 2022 Report Share Posted November 7, 2022 2 hours ago, wymberley said: Thought the idea was to shoot 'em. Yes but tune them to what ever pellet or slug you want to use , how many guns can do that !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted November 7, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2022 40 minutes ago, villaman said: Yes but tune them to what ever pellet or slug you want to use , how many guns can do that !! I have to concede that excluding my current one which took a good half dozen or more before I found 'the one', it's not all that many and not for a long time - you didn't have so much choice back in the day - I can remember Milbro and then, of course, there was Milbro - but I've always been able to do it no matter which make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimfireboy Posted November 11, 2022 Report Share Posted November 11, 2022 On 07/11/2022 at 17:26, villaman said: Imo you can’t beat FX for FAC and that’s why I have two and will be buying a wildcat mk3 as well great for shot count and highly tuneable But I wouldn’t buy second hand either 😉 How many fx’s can you get in the back of the Bentley vm? Good job you’ve got the tow bar fitted….😂 I agree, the fx’s are brilliant in fac. I wouldn’t mind a wildcat mk3 carbon but still hankering for a crown, I don’t know🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaman Posted November 11, 2022 Report Share Posted November 11, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Rimfireboy said: How many fx’s can you get in the back of the Bentley vm? Good job you’ve got the tow bar fitted….😂 I agree, the fx’s are brilliant in fac. I wouldn’t mind a wildcat mk3 carbon but still hankering for a crown, I don’t know🤷♂️ You really are , what’s your name Jimmy 😂👍🏻 Edited November 11, 2022 by villaman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimfireboy Posted November 12, 2022 Report Share Posted November 12, 2022 15 hours ago, villaman said: You really are , what’s your name Jimmy 😂👍🏻 Well actually………it is😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted November 16, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2022 (edited) On 03/11/2022 at 19:24, Ultrastu said: What is it wymberley that you want to know.? I'm sure I can help you. As I've got a lot of experience with fac bsa s . Owning both .177 and .22 Rain check time. I can't do a lot. My variation for FAC Air is in and I now have some sample quantity pellets/slugs (22). Problem is is that the medics won't let me drive just yet after my heart op'. Question; is the hammer spring anti tamper cap omitted on the FAC (SE) version of the R-10. Obviously, there is no (legal) requirement for one and from what I can see from the parts drawings there appears not to be one fitted. Cheers Edited November 16, 2022 by wymberley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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