12gauge82 Posted November 10, 2022 Report Share Posted November 10, 2022 19 hours ago, oowee said: The ever creeping cancer of economic decline and isolation won't be a problem too for those that look only at little Britain. Appoliges I should have been clearer, I was responding to this part of your post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted November 10, 2022 Report Share Posted November 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said: Appoliges I should have been clearer, I was responding to this part of your post. Not saying Brexit has caused it but all the data says its made it far worse. Equivalent to 4p on the basic rate of tax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted November 10, 2022 Report Share Posted November 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, oowee said: Not saying Brexit has caused it but all the data says its made it far worse. Equivalent to 4p on the basic rate of tax. Oh well, for me I'd be 4p well spent I'd still vote leave if it was 10p 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted November 10, 2022 Report Share Posted November 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Newbie to this said: This isn't really worthy of a reponse, but here goes. 1 - our politicians, you know the ones that sit in both houses and govern (I use the word loosely) us. The ones that tried their hardest to overturn the referendum, and have to a fashion succeeded. The ones that know what we want, better than ourselves. 2 - yes, I am saying that even the OBR has an agenda. Your not saying those rich politicians wanted things to stay as they were are you!! 😅😅 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted November 10, 2022 Report Share Posted November 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Mice! said: Your not saying those rich politicians wanted things to stay as they were are you!! 😅😅 I know, it's unbelievable to think such things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOPGUN749 Posted November 11, 2022 Report Share Posted November 11, 2022 20 hours ago, 12gauge82 said: Oh well, for me I'd be 4p well spent I'd still vote leave if it was 10p 👍 Whatever the income tax rate I never intend to pay any again,keep my income below the threshold now that I have given up work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted November 11, 2022 Report Share Posted November 11, 2022 21 minutes ago, TOPGUN749 said: Whatever the income tax rate I never intend to pay any again,keep my income below the threshold now that I have given up work. Yep, I think what Oowee doesn't get is that most who voted to leave didn't do it because of economic reasons, they did it because of principles and freedom. Yes its inconvenienced him on his sailing around the med on his yacht, but it isn't going to affect most people like that. Likewise its probably got an impact on the very rich, their ease of travel and ability to easily trade with EU block countries, but again that doesn't really affect the average Joe, the mega rich can't have their cake and eat it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted November 11, 2022 Report Share Posted November 11, 2022 6 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said: the mega rich can't have their cake and eat it. No, but they can have a good cry and whine whilst eating eat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udderlyoffroad Posted November 11, 2022 Report Share Posted November 11, 2022 The 'mega rich' are an irrelevance to the discussion; they can pay accountants to move their money as they see fit. Brexit is one of those threat/opportunities scenarios where the 1% can profit. They can also, incidentally, simply 'buy' citizenship if needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted November 11, 2022 Report Share Posted November 11, 2022 4 hours ago, udderlyoffroad said: The 'mega rich' are an irrelevance to the discussion; they can pay accountants to move their money as they see fit. Brexit is one of those threat/opportunities scenarios where the 1% can profit. They can also, incidentally, simply 'buy' citizenship if needed. I'm not so sure, I consider myself to be quite privileged compared to some. When we're talking about the super rich who can buy virtually anything they want, what they don't like is something becoming unattainable, for instance the inconvenience of not being able to hop across the EU as they used to, or the added bureaucracy of paperwork for their global buisness, or the higher wages for employing UK workers instead of temporary EU ones that will dent their profits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted November 11, 2022 Report Share Posted November 11, 2022 9 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said: or the higher wages for employing UK workers You've hit the nail squarely on the head. Sadly for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted November 11, 2022 Report Share Posted November 11, 2022 8 hours ago, 12gauge82 said: Yep, I think what Oowee doesn't get is that most who voted to leave didn't do it because of economic reasons, they did it because of principles and freedom. Yes its inconvenienced him on his sailing around the med on his yacht, but it isn't going to affect most people like that. Likewise its probably got an impact on the very rich, their ease of travel and ability to easily trade with EU block countries, but again that doesn't really affect the average Joe, the mega rich can't have their cake and eat it. I can absolutely understand anyone voting out for freedom if they could point to it and say 'now we are out I can do ........ whatever that I could not do before'. I simply can't see what that freedom is. The inconvenience for me I will live with. I will probably get a resident permit for Turkey so I can still visit in laws in Europe and use the boat for longer, so no big deal. The gripe I have is seeing the cost of exit and not being able to point to any gains. Its early days yet and with a new government we may yet get to more relaxed travel laws and get the rest of the issues resolved. Hopefully we can get it done before we loose Scotland and NI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted November 11, 2022 Report Share Posted November 11, 2022 4 minutes ago, oowee said: I can absolutely understand anyone voting out for freedom if they could point to it and say 'now we are out I can do ........ whatever that I could not do before'. I simply can't see what that freedom is. The inconvenience for me I will live with. I will probably get a resident permit for Turkey so I can still visit in laws in Europe and use the boat for longer, so no big deal. The gripe I have is seeing the cost of exit and not being able to point to any gains. Its early days yet and with a new government we may yet get to more relaxed travel laws and get the rest of the issues resolved. Hopefully we can get it done before we loose Scotland and NI. Freedom starts with being able to elect or get rid of people responsible for making or removing laws and legislation that affect our lives, the EU commission are virtually unaccountable and will not always act in the UK's best interests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted November 12, 2022 Report Share Posted November 12, 2022 3 hours ago, 12gauge82 said: Freedom starts with being able to elect or get rid of people responsible for making or removing laws and legislation that affect our lives, the EU commission are virtually unaccountable and will not always act in the UK's best interests. I think you mean and have never acted in our interests. 3 hours ago, oowee said: The gripe I have is seeing the cost of exit and not being able to point to any gains. Its early days yet and with a new government we may yet get to more relaxed travel laws and get the rest of the issues resolved. Hopefully we can get it done before we loose Scotland and NI. It's very early days, the important thing is we don't have to be told what to do by unelected officials in Europe. As for Scotland and NI, Scotland or at least the SNP look like they are trying to fall on their own sword, we've left the Union with no plan on moving forward, but FREEDOM NI, I've no idea what's going on over there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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