Surviving the pay squeeze.

[Mice!]

1 hour ago, Poor Shot said:

Well you're clearly doing something incorrectly as an organisation if recruitment is an issue.

What is it that you are recruiting for? It would be unreasonable to expect an applicant to show up in smart clothing if you were advertising jobs driving forklifts in builders merchants yard or people work in a stables for example.

You also need to look at the resource pool your advertising in. I wouldn't ever consider making vacancies open via the local job centre if I didn't want long term unemployed and benefit scammers throwing in applications just to keep their JSA allowance going.

I've been for a lot of interviews over the years, and I've never worn anything other than shirt, pants and shoes.

Your supposed to be selling yourself at an interview,  not just showing up.

14 hours ago, Dougy said:

They play the system to continue to receive free hand outs. And there's jack we can fo about it, they can't string a sentence together but know a dam site more about claiming benefits than I ever will. 

And their parents probably played the benefits game as well.

[Lloyd90]

17 hours ago, johnphilip said:

Is the right answer,  we  did not feel sorry  for ourselves , cardboard   in our shoes  or  socks for gloves,  we  just  got on with  it .

We did not expect  hand outs  , we got hand me downs . I am proud of my parents  and how they  brought us up right.   Oh and I am not a Yorkshire  man .

You were proud to live in poverty? 
 

By your very own logic and that put forward that you just agreed with, why didn’t your parents just work harder? 
 

By your own logic, if your parents had worked harder, you wouldn’t have lived in poverty. 
 

Were your parents lazy? (I genuinely don’t think that they were). 
 

If they had worked harder, by your own logic you wouldn’t of had to live in handy downs. 
 

So perhaps, the “just work harder” isn’t the one and final suggestion when people are experiencing poverty? 
 

Hard work and good decisions can certainly get you out of a hole but there’s plenty of hard working folk out there who aren’t spaffing their money up the wall and are really struggling. 

[Yellow Bear]

34 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said:

You were proud to live in poverty? 
 

By your very own logic and that put forward that you just agreed with, why didn’t your parents just work harder? 
 

By your own logic, if your parents had worked harder, you wouldn’t have lived in poverty. 
 

Were your parents lazy? (I genuinely don’t think that they were). 
 

If they had worked harder, by your own logic you wouldn’t of had to live in handy downs. 
 

So perhaps, the “just work harder” isn’t the one and final suggestion when people are experiencing poverty? 
 

Hard work and good decisions can certainly get you out of a hole but there’s plenty of hard working folk out there who aren’t spaffing their money up the wall and are really struggling. 

You have made a couple of reasonable points but the number of truly hard works in difficulties is relatively small, however what you should also bear in mind is that even the lowest paid then were taxed on most of their income at over 30% in addition to NA and what benefits there were were a lot lower.

[oowee]

42 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said:

You were proud to live in poverty? 
 

By your very own logic and that put forward that you just agreed with, why didn’t your parents just work harder? 
 

By your own logic, if your parents had worked harder, you wouldn’t have lived in poverty. 
 

Were your parents lazy? (I genuinely don’t think that they were). 
 

If they had worked harder, by your own logic you wouldn’t of had to live in handy downs. 
 

So perhaps, the “just work harder” isn’t the one and final suggestion when people are experiencing poverty? 
 

Hard work and good decisions can certainly get you out of a hole but there’s plenty of hard working folk out there who aren’t spaffing their money up the wall and are really struggling. 

^^^^^ This. We all need some luck. Often people born to poverty work their way out but often they are simply unable to often not from lack of trying. 

3 minutes ago, Yellow Bear said:

You have made a couple of reasonable points but the number of truly hard works in difficulties is relatively small, however what you should also bear in mind is that even the lowest paid then were taxed on most of their income at over 30% in addition to NA and what benefits there were were a lot lower.

We should be proud to have a benefits system that supports those in need. The UK benefits are hardly generous. Like the immigration issue these things are merely a distraction for bad management.

Generally, Britain turns out to be less generous than most other high-income countries. Comparative Welfare Entitlement Project (CWEP – Version 2022-01) data (updated earlier this year by political scientists Lyle Scruggs and Gabriela Ramalho Tafoya) show Britain is one of only four countries to see a large fall in overall Welfare Benefit Generosity (WBG) over the past forty years. Alongside the UK, Denmark, Sweden, and New Zealand saw WBG in 2018 more than 10% lower than its 1980 level.  

[udderlyoffroad]

41 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said:

If they had worked harder, by your own logic you wouldn’t of had to live in handy downs. 
 

So perhaps, the “just work harder” isn’t the one and final suggestion when people are experiencing poverty? 

They had the right kind of poverty doncha know?

If hard work was the simple answer, Africa would be poverty-free by now.  You do need your government not to be a robbing, corrupt, money-spaffing, accountable, representative democracy which understands basic economic theories such as 'a rising tide lifts all ships', otherwise all your hard work will be for the benefit of someone else. 

Is it any wonder people chose 'scratting' (that's living off benefits) as a lifestyle when the alternative will leave you demonstrably worse off?

The current incumbent of no 10 and no 11 has no clue.

 

[oowee]

5 minutes ago, udderlyoffroad said:

 

If hard work was the simple answer, Africa would be poverty-free by now.  You do need your government not to be a robbing, corrupt, money-spaffing, accountable, representative democracy which understands basic economic theories such as 'a rising tide lifts all ships', otherwise all your hard work will be for the benefit of someone else. 

Is it any wonder people chose 'scratting' (that's living off benefits) as a lifestyle when the alternative will leave you demonstrably worse off?

The current incumbent of no 10 and no 11 has no clue.

 

Agree with this except last sentence. I would rate Rishi (given the space to do so) to work through the problems we need to face upto but not within the current regime. 

[udderlyoffroad]

14 minutes ago, oowee said:

Agree with this except last sentence. I would rate Rishi (given the space to do so) to work through the problems we need to face upto but not within the current regime. 

Once again, he was Boris' chancellor.  Collective cabinet responsibility and all that.  I am surprised how willing you are to give him the benefit of the doubt, given his record, serving as no 2 under someone you can't stand!

And he's totally, hopelessly out of touch with the concerns of people and small businesses.  A hedgefund manager who can 'do' politics, but more 'Islington' than most of the Labour party.

Edited March 24, 2023 by udderlyoffroad

[johnphilip]

3 hours ago, Lloyd90 said:

You were proud to live in poverty? 
 

By your very own logic and that put forward that you just agreed with, why didn’t your parents just work harder? 
 

By your own logic, if your parents had worked harder, you wouldn’t have lived in poverty. 
 

Were your parents lazy? (I genuinely don’t think that they were). 
 

If they had worked harder, by your own logic you wouldn’t of had to live in handy downs. 
 

So perhaps, the “just work harder” isn’t the one and final suggestion when people are experiencing poverty? 
 

Hard work and good decisions can certainly get you out of a hole but there’s plenty of hard working folk out there who aren’t spaffing their money up the wall and are really struggling. 

Neither proud  or ashamed we lived in a different  time back them  . The second  world war had not   long finished . 5 kids  to bring up ,yep bigger  families  back then . We  did not live  in poverty  as  you call it   there was people far worse  of than us  . 

Nope mum and dad  both  worked  very hard,  it's not an easy life working  underground.  Hand me downs  was a thing that people  just  did  .  Maybe  something  they  did induring  the war  and carried  on  doing  so .

we can soon  out grow  our clothes as  we grow fast  and no point in wasting  stuff .

And to this day some families do  still do hand me  downs  and good  for them 

There  was  no charity  shops  as  we have today . lots  of cheap  clothes charity  shop where people  can buy  cheap clothes now I  have had some  great bargain  from them .

Waste not , want not . 

Come the early  60s  3 of us  kids had left  school  found  work  but  had to travel some  distance  , there was not a lot of  work about   just  dam building  , farm work and  shop work . 

So my  parents  desided  to move us all to a bigger  town   where more work  would  be available  for  5 kids  . So see my parents  did  the right  thing  for us.  

I had a paper round and other  weekend  jobs  , saved  enough still in my  school day  to put a deposit  down on my first house at 21  years of age   that was  all  before  leaving  school . Never had a  mortgage  over  20k  bought and sold   moved up the market.  So yes I am proud of how my parents  how the brought  me up. 

But I could never afford  a  11 week holiday in the USA. 

[Lloyd90]

16 minutes ago, johnphilip said:

Neither proud  or ashamed we lived in a different  time back them  . The second  world war had not   long finished . 5 kids  to bring up ,yep bigger  families  back then . We  did not live  in poverty  as  you call it   there was people far worse  of than us  . 

Nope mum and dad  both  worked  very hard,  it's not an easy life working  underground.  Hand me downs  was a thing that people  just  did  .  Maybe  something  they  did induring  the war  and carried  on  doing  so .

we can soon  out grow  our clothes as  we grow fast  and no point in wasting  stuff .

And to this day some families do  still do hand me  downs  and good  for them 

There  was  no charity  shops  as  we have today . lots  of cheap  clothes charity  shop where people  can buy  cheap clothes now I  have had some  great bargain  from them .

Waste not , want not . 

Come the early  60s  3 of us  kids had left  school  found  work  but  had to travel some  distance  , there was not a lot of  work about   just  dam building  , farm work and  shop work . 

So my  parents  desided  to move us all to a bigger  town   where more work  would  be available  for  5 kids  . So see my parents  did  the right  thing  for us.  

I had a paper round and other  weekend  jobs  , saved  enough still in my  school day  to put a deposit  down on my first house at 21  years of age   that was  all  before  leaving  school . Never had a  mortgage  over  20k  bought and sold   moved up the market.  So yes I am proud of how my parents  how the brought  me up. 

But I could never afford  a  11 week holiday in the USA. 

 

Reading all that, it's not exactly painting a picture of the "good old days" is it? I know which time period I would prefer to live in. 

 

Imagine being able to buy a house at the age of 21 these days. 

I am sure all the people out there working multiple jobs are busy spaffing their money on iphones and egg and avocado on toast  

 

Re my 11 week sabbatical, I worked 3 jobs back to back for about 18 months before taking 4.5 months off work, travelled the USA and married my now wife  we both work bloody hard to get ahead, own our own home in a major UK city and are pretty comfortable, but we have been very lucky and blessed along our way, and I see plenty of people out there grafting everyday who will never be so fortunate. 

[Mungler]

5 hours ago, udderlyoffroad said:

They had the right kind of poverty doncha know?

If hard work was the simple answer, Africa would be poverty-free by now.  You do need your government not to be a robbing, corrupt, money-spaffing, accountable, representative democracy which understands basic economic theories such as 'a rising tide lifts all ships', otherwise all your hard work will be for the benefit of someone else. 

Is it any wonder people chose 'scratting' (that's living off benefits) as a lifestyle when the alternative will leave you demonstrably worse off?

The current incumbent of no 10 and no 11 has no clue.

 

 

Fair point. The Russian economy before Ukraine was smaller than Italy’s. A massive mineral rich vast swatch of land like Russia and no wealth - all stolen by a clique