young airgunner Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 hahaha george quote of the week "COFFIN DODGER" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 Retest at 70, 75, 80 etc The fact is, reactions, spinal mobility and eyesight are heading for the toilet at these ages. You can be experienced as you like but if you can't do a lifesaver, see beyond the bonnet or react then you shouldn't be driving. Saying - but look at the youngsters driving fast on their phones does not a viable excuse / defence make Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Sam Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 I personally feel that its younger drivers that are the problem, in my first year at uni, every driver in the class had had a crash within 3 years of passing their test, thankfully only 2 of them killed themselves. I crashed too, went round a corner on a country lane, hit some nice spilled diesel or something and landed in a hedge, not amused. Neither was the police man as I had disturbed his lunch. My grandfather is 86 and a better driver than most people on the roads, hasn't crashed for over 30 years. Only crash that he has had was a motorbike speeding down a country road and not stopping at a crossroads, wrote off my grandfathers car but the biker survived luckily for him. It was 100% the bikers fault as he was speeding and did not stop at a STOP sign. Fair justice in my books, just a shame about bob's car. So, I do not think that it should be necessary. A lot of older people rely on their cars as there is no public transport outside of towns and cities, despite what our beloved government tries to tell us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berettaman1 Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 Berrettaman1 Was that not a new bonnet on the front of your car that I saw the other day :lol: Do you have some owning up to do :lol: Errm yes, but you forgot to fess up you reversed into my minto set of wheels and then drove off before my witness could get your no, you...///// Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
young airgunner Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 its not neccesarily the oldens that crash, they are mostly the course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpowder Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 Better idea raise the minumum age to 21 and save the young and foolish from themselves. Blackpowder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
young airgunner Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 sod waiting until 21 to drive. young people need mobility too. passing my driving test was one of the best things i have done.gives you so much freedom. i also agree that both young drivers and old drivers get tarred with the same brush saying they are bad drivers. i am a young driver yes, but i dont go round driving on my phone and driving excessively fast like some peolple have said. i value my life to much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 It's definitely the baldwilly boys that are the biggest menace, with their baked-bean can exhausts and go-faster stripes :lol: However, I think everybody should be tested regularly. Half the population don't have the first idea about right of way on roundabouts, for instance. If we were all tested regularly, it would get the older menaces off the road before things got too bad and the baldwilly boys would have to shape up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagsy Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 I won't be liked for saying this but up the driving age to 21. They've shown many times a large percentage of accidents are caused by under 21's, many are a nuisance and we need more room on the roads. The over 70's tend to 'self manage' and whilst I agree they should sit retests once in a while most of them tend to know when it's time to throw in the keys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 I won't be liked for saying this but up the driving age to 21. They've shown many times a large percentage of accidents are caused by under 21's, many are a nuisance and we need more room on the roads. The over 70's tend to 'self manage' and whilst I agree they should sit retests once in a while most of them tend to know when it's time to throw in the keys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpowder Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 Hi youngairgunner yes I sympathise with the sensible among young drivers but the fact remains there is an element who are a danger to themselves and others on the road. Within a 20 mile radius of where I live, and it is on the coast there must have been at least 10 fatalities over the past two years involving young drivers on rural roads. Unfortunately I have just heard of another where the driver and passenger were burned to death. Even more unfortunate they did not collide with the usual tree or brick wall but with a family going about their normal busines, some of whom suffered serious injuries. Blackpowder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 Dont worry guys, cars will soon be banned anyway. They wont get the health and safety approval On a serious note, I think everyone should have to do a FULL exam, and theory retake every 8 years, and the current training course increased to include motorway driving, and hazardous conditions driving (Ice/fog etc) It wouldnt be hard to pass the test every 8 years, if you drive correctly to a reasonable standard. Driving age increased to 18, and a clamp down on youths misbehaving in vehicles (lengthy suspension) I would also like to see more awareness of motorcyles combined in the training. I do not think driver over a set age must not able to drive, but mearly pass the full retake. Blah blah blah I know I sound PC, but I have seen too many flowers by the side of the road, and lost a few mates. As for motorcyles, the same as above. But I would like to see 50cc vehicles banned from the roads. They dont have the power to safely keep with the flow of traffic (min 125cc), and I would like to see the current 'CBT' discarded. its far to easy to pass, and the training is terrible. I was freaked on the road on my 125, as I had very little training to pass, and had some bad experiances. Come on, they let kids out on the road with less then a days training. And the theory part means looking at a book of signs with your group. This needs to be dealt with to provide better training for new motorcylists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnGalway Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 All drivers should retake their test every two years. I believe it's unfair to single out older people and say they're unsafe due to their age. To say that is not seeing the wood for the trees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
young airgunner Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 i think 2 years is a little to often but something like every 8 years sounds more reasonable and sensible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter-peter Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 I think that once your 65 years old you should take a retest. But saying that they always complain about not getting enough pension money but if they are running a car they must be doing alrite especially with the petrol prices today and they get free public transport why would they need a car. And if you are under the age of 22 years old and going to learn to drive I think they should learn for a year and sit a much tougher test. Even though I past my test after 12 lessons and only getting 2 minors. Everyone thinks the test is hard but I can do it blind folded and still pass its so easy. hey up dusty in answer to your statement why do they need a car, the reason is as follows. some of us are partly disabled, rancid little ****s are roaming the streets creating avok on public transport. the pension money will keep you if you foregoe any holidays drinking shooting and any other types of pleasure we have worked damn'd hard for I have worked 20 hrs a day to raise my kids, don,t knock the pensioners lad our generation, fought for the **** that lives and feeds off us today. DESCUSION OVER. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferret Master Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 In my Dad's words if you see my Gran in a country lane: 'WACK IT IN REVERSE she ain't stopping for anyone!' Meanwhile my grandparents on my mother's side are both good drivers however my Granmother got done for speeding in a 30 zone earlier this month at 36mph. She couldn't understand why all fell down laughing when she told us. Taking away the licence of many older people impacts on their everyday lives if they live somewhere rural on their own. Having said that nobody should be on the roads who is a danger to others. FM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter-peter Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 its not neccesarily the oldens that crash, they are mostly the course SAYS A 17 YEAR OLD JUST SHED HIS NAPPY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
young airgunner Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 i didnt say they all do it, i was reffering to georgehare's post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustyfox Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 I think that once your 65 years old you should take a retest. But saying that they always complain about not getting enough pension money but if they are running a car they must be doing alrite especially with the petrol prices today and they get free public transport why would they need a car. And if you are under the age of 22 years old and going to learn to drive I think they should learn for a year and sit a much tougher test. Even though I past my test after 12 lessons and only getting 2 minors. Everyone thinks the test is hard but I can do it blind folded and still pass its so easy. hey up dusty in answer to your statement why do they need a car, the reason is as follows. some of us are partly disabled, rancid little ****s are roaming the streets creating avok on public transport. the pension money will keep you if you foregoe any holidays drinking shooting and any other types of pleasure we have worked damn'd hard for I have worked 20 hrs a day to raise my kids, don,t knock the pensioners lad our generation, fought for the **** that lives and feeds off us today. DESCUSION OVER. I have a lot of respect for pensioners, but there are some that should not be on the road, what if you hit a kid or something like that . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurcherboy Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 All motorists should have to take a 2 hour driving test and thorough eye examination every year without fail and anyone wearing a Trilby, driving gloves (thats alvin scuppered ) or a sports jacket should be banned for life IMHO. Volvo drivers should be shot on sight. LB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 Hate to say it, but an 83 year old man ended my bike career. I m not risking my life again, the pain I went rhough was tough and I have problems today. But some bikers have died out there, and I wont be a statistic. Reason? the man did not check is mirrors before deciding to drive out on me.. oof.. Anyhow, age does not matter so much. Its experiance, and regular training that makes a good driver. Age does decrease a persons ability to react to something. Thats fact im afraid. But being young and lacking experiance is a more dangerous thing. Drink driving (DUI) or driving on drugs is the bottom line. These people should have an indefinate ban. If you are prepared to risk others lives for your own enjoyment and habbit, you are not a suitable candidate for a drivers licence IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
young airgunner Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 well said hunter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 Reason? the man did not check is mirrors before deciding to drive out on me.. oof.. As I said, if you don't have the mobility to perform a life saver then don't drive. Eyesight..... well, that's a big problem, far bigger than most will ever know. Ask a copper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J@mes Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 I was in two accidents when I was 17, within 3 months of passing my test. 1, a middle aged WOMAN crashed into me while using her Toyota Picnic people carrier to drive her 2 kids less than 1/2 mile to school. Wrote my car off 2, an OLD man crashed into me while I was driving down the main road. I was in a white car, with my headlights on, it was daytime. He pulled out and hit me in the side. "I didn't see you" was he excuse. I refer to my previous information - WHITE CAR, HEADLIGHTS ON, DAYTIME. You didn't see me? Yes young drivers often do daft things, make daft mistakes. But its like Jeremy Clarkson said, young people don't drive off piers, down the wrong side of motorways or accidentally onto railway crossings when there is a train coming. And when it comes to the reactions of an old person, it's truly shocking to be honest. Sorry, but my reactions/judgement when I've had 3 pints of Ale are far better than those of the average 70 year old, I have no doubt. Yet I'm not safe to drive, and someone who couldn't swat a sloth before it moved trees is.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flash Posted October 31, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 seems to be quite an interesting topic. i can see the view from both sides, and obviuously people will naturally take sides, for example older people on the forum seeing it as a personal insul from younguns. cheers flash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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