islandgun Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 I have 410 TPS wads 😀. Looking for a knock about gun to go with them and have narrowed it down to two, Hatsan Escort field hunter, pump, 3inch, 5 external chokes in mossy oak or Yildiz Spz m 3 inch O/U multi, I like the fun aspect of the pump but concerned by moving parts, or the general purpose and build quality of the Yildiz, any opinions welcome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 If you go for the pump you can add a moderator on the end to make it quiet . Have a play with the hatsan first see if the quality comes up to your expectations .the yildiz is well built . I was gonna get the hatsan but got a mossy instead , I think it's a better gun and can be had sh.for similar money . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted February 6 Author Report Share Posted February 6 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Ultrastu said: If you go for the pump you can add a moderator on the end to make it quiet . Have a play with the hatsan first see if the quality comes up to your expectations .the yildiz is well built . I was gonna get the hatsan but got a mossy instead , I think it's a better gun and can be had sh.for similar money . Thanks. Thats the thing, given where I live its difficult to go and check out anything tbh, another factor is that it would only get light use, interesting about the moderator do they fit over rib also how about choke with the Mossy ? the ones I looked at seem to be fixed full which I guess isnt all that good for TSS 2 minutes ago, islandgun said: Also wondering now if I could get spare barrel and have hushpower moderator fitted Edited February 6 by islandgun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Lloyd90 Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 1 hour ago, islandgun said: Thanks. Thats the thing, given where I live its difficult to go and check out anything tbh, another factor is that it would only get light use, interesting about the moderator do they fit over rib also how about choke with the Mossy ? the ones I looked at seem to be fixed full which I guess isnt all that good for TSS Also wondering now if I could get spare barrel and have hushpower moderator fitted Check that you can use TSS through full choke. I may have read that it needs to be under 1/2 choke, but can’t remember fully. I do know it patterns so well / dense that open chokes (cylinder?) are usually used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted February 6 Author Report Share Posted February 6 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said: Check that you can use TSS through full choke. I may have read that it needs to be under 1/2 choke, but can’t remember fully. I do know it patterns so well / dense that open chokes (cylinder?) are usually used. Yes Lloyd your right, no choke would/should work in this instance, TSS patterns tightly anyway, thats why I would like m.c and steel proof, Im actually wondering if I should even be using TSS, as the intended ranges are approx 30m with 40m max, hence the 410, it would also be useful to keep the noise as low as possible Edited February 6 by islandgun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aberisle Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 I use Baikal hushpower in 410 with tss and although it is full choke it seems to do well i have used 15 grams of tss in size 8 loaded subsonic, it is very quiet and athough i have only used it a few times this season, i have managed to drop a Pink with it, dead when it hit the ground. There is a channel on youtube "smallborehunters"? he uses a pump in 410 that is moderated and does well with it the guys a pretty good shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted February 6 Author Report Share Posted February 6 12 minutes ago, aberisle said: I use Baikal hushpower in 410 with tss and although it is full choke it seems to do well i have used 15 grams of tss in size 8 loaded subsonic, it is very quiet and athough i have only used it a few times this season, i have managed to drop a Pink with it, dead when it hit the ground. There is a channel on youtube "smallborehunters"? he uses a pump in 410 that is moderated and does well with it the guys a pretty good shot. Great stuff, Will PM and check out youtube Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellside Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 I have no experience of the Hatsan - but do recall some problems with certain production runs of 410 repeaters. They don’t all handle 3” shells very well. Sorry that’s a little vague - but that’s all I recall. Tolerances have to be near perfect for the 410. I have a Yildiz 410 and delighted with it. It’s had a lot of use and still going strong. If you opt for the Yildiz, buy a 10mm socket (with long bar) to remove the stock. That’s because the inner workings of the action need a clean every few thousand cart’s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiler23 Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 I use the kofs, lovely little gun.. love it to bits ,and with TSS it is now my main goose gun.. I use 1/2 and 3/4.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunny_blaster Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 I was in a gun shop not too long ago talking to the owner about TSS and using it through a 410. He was telling me it’s all he uses on game and often shoots at some of the high birds shoots in Wales keeping up with the big guns with videos to prove. Some of the pattern plates he had used to test his loads showed some very impressive results even out to 80 yards. One thing he did say was that the chokes he used were full and extra full and he had these made specifically for using TSS, the main thing being that the constriction starts externally of the barrel past the threads as not to damage them when the shot passes through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted February 6 Author Report Share Posted February 6 Theres some very interesting points being raised here, mostly about tight chokes, even to full, which goes against all the published stuff Ive seen so far. It definitely has given me some new ideas, ATM liking moderated and choked, great stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aberisle Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 I patterned my 410 using 15 grams of no7 tss it has the sameish amount of pellets as my 10bore with 45 grams bbb shot, the shots were taken at 40 yds, and the 410 patterned ok not super tight i was quite happy with the pattern. On the sound side of it when i first used it my dog used to run in at the sound of the shot (she was very keen) but when i used the moderated 410 she just sat there i had to tell her to go out, it took a few shots for her to realise what was going on and then she was back to her super keen self. Afew weeks ago when i got the goose with it my friend that was with me said all he heard of the shot was the hiss through the air of the pellets and the "bang" from the gun was just like someone giving the ground a kick, a dull thud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted February 6 Author Report Share Posted February 6 18 minutes ago, aberisle said: I patterned my 410 using 15 grams of no7 tss it has the sameish amount of pellets as my 10bore with 45 grams bbb shot, the shots were taken at 40 yds, and the 410 patterned ok not super tight i was quite happy with the pattern. On the sound side of it when i first used it my dog used to run in at the sound of the shot (she was very keen) but when i used the moderated 410 she just sat there i had to tell her to go out, it took a few shots for her to realise what was going on and then she was back to her super keen self. Afew weeks ago when i got the goose with it my friend that was with me said all he heard of the shot was the hiss through the air of the pellets and the "bang" from the gun was just like someone giving the ground a kick, a dull thud. That sounds like a plan to stop my dog running in as well. Regarding choke I'm wondering if the small size of the shot is enough to be less of a problem than hard large shot through choke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted February 7 Report Share Posted February 7 I have a kofs in .410 also with 5 chokes .and having swapped them around and pattern tested at different ranges and different carts I can honestly say I saw zero difference between any of them .cylinder patterned just as tight as full and all the others . When looking at the chokes individually I can see a difference in constriction but it made no difference on the card .so I just put in any I fancied and swap em about when cleaning . I find the choke on my mossy .410 (supposed to be full ) patterns very similar to any of my kofs chokes . I had a fixed yildiz before that and again very similar patterns (the only .410 I've had that didn't patten the same (it was pretty wide and not consistent was a baikal ) I conclude that for the most part chokes on .410 don't make a huge diffence .probably because the amount of constriction between cly.and full is much less than that of a 12 or 20 b. I'd say you would be fine putting tss through any choke you like .but preferably a fixed one like a mossberg . Ps either cut the rib back on the hasan to fit a moderator direct to barrel or have one fixed to the extended choke of your choice and screw it in . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted February 7 Author Report Share Posted February 7 9 hours ago, Ultrastu said: I have a kofs in .410 also with 5 chokes .and having swapped them around and pattern tested at different ranges and different carts I can honestly say I saw zero difference between any of them .cylinder patterned just as tight as full and all the others . When looking at the chokes individually I can see a difference in constriction but it made no difference on the card .so I just put in any I fancied and swap em about when cleaning . I find the choke on my mossy .410 (supposed to be full ) patterns very similar to any of my kofs chokes . I had a fixed yildiz before that and again very similar patterns (the only .410 I've had that didn't patten the same (it was pretty wide and not consistent was a baikal ) I conclude that for the most part chokes on .410 don't make a huge diffence .probably because the amount of constriction between cly.and full is much less than that of a 12 or 20 b. I'd say you would be fine putting tss through any choke you like .but preferably a fixed one like a mossberg . Ps either cut the rib back on the hasan to fit a moderator direct to barrel or have one fixed to the extended choke of your choice and screw it in . Thanks Ultrastu very useful info, I had looked up the difference in choke on the 410 and full is .396 while cyl is .410 thou, so yes very little, and yes it makes sense to use a fixed if there is little or no variance to pattern. I will look at available options around at the moment in my budget. As ever thanks everyone for some excellent advice, plenty of food for thought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiler23 Posted February 7 Report Share Posted February 7 I dropped down to #8 TSS18 for 410, just for bit better pellet count on 14 Gram. I use the fag filter load for it too. Iv took geese further with that combination then I ever did with my 8 or 10 bore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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