jayward Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 important I am not talking about indecent exposure !!!!! ok im talking about car/bike headlights and in reference to a particular occurrence OK today i was traveling into a local village and on the way into this village theres a hill , And on the hill was parked a civilian operated speed camera van ... ??? i was actually heading in the opposite direction and would have seen it prior to passing it by and getting in the line of the camera /detector But i did receive a flash of headlights from a nice man to warn of the impending danger , I will point out i have a clean license and i was prob not speeding !!! its a bloody big hill and a long road up/down it its easy to gain speed or take the run up approach however i don't wana get bogged down in a debate ref speeding so plz start ya own thread if thats what ya want or just refrain from posting ..... My point is after i had passed the van i noticed a car heading in the direction of the van !!! now i cant comment on if it was or was not speeding and i dont care tbh but i though i would warn the driver so i flashed my headlights and did the same to 1 or 2 more cars .... SO are you a Flasher or not ? ... Plz note : i respectfully ask that you keep your comments in regard to speeding and the law on flashing out of the thread as thats not the point @ all !!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tulkyuk Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 Yes i am - i think its your duty to warn of the oncoming wallet emptier parked ahead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrowningBoy Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 definately, only polite. maybe an urban myth but I heard the AA used to salute you as they passed by (if you had a members badge visible on your car) and if they didn't that was their warning of police ahead, not 100% sure if true but nice thing to do in any case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Outlaw Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 Because I drive a very small Comercial vehicle, I also am a flasher and a thumb downer. You have to warn people of inconsiderate parking by the boys in blue Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayward Posted November 30, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 good shout fellers i like the comment "i think its your duty to warn of the oncoming wallet emptier parked ahead" my My Sentiments Exactly! ant tbh perfectly honest he was parked on a hill 1/2 way up the bloody hill on the incline with cones round him forcing cars to cross the dividing line there are a few houses on this hill and i have never seen a car parked there ever " A Law Unto Themselves" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Elvis Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 All day long............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidibear Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 Yep, I am a flasher and a thumb downer too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 I have been known in the past to aid the Police in there campaigne for speed awareness. However I only really bother with this when any detection unit is placed in such as way as to not promote speed awareness, or in better words, a position of entrapment. Anyone getting caught otherwise probably deserves it. Remember, sometimes they are there for good reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 the other thing is that you can be prosecuted for doing it and it can be a nasty charge that just might put your ticket in Jeopardy. Takes a real jobsworth policeman to do it but it has happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Outlaw Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 I have been known in the past to aid the Police in there campaigne for speed awareness. However I only really bother with this when any detection unit is placed in such as way as to not promote speed awareness, or in better words, a position of entrapment. Anyone getting caught otherwise probably deserves it. Remember, sometimes they are there for good reasons. That why I use the "Road Angel" it's main function is to make you aware of accident black spots and areas were there is a risk of schools and the like, The Lazer detector is a bonus. Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJaxeman Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 Oh Yes Im a Flasher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 Interestingly, you have all admitted Obstructing a police officer - section 89(2) Police Act 1996 and I place you all under citizens arrest. (Archbold 28-6) The offence of obstructing a police officer is committed when a person:- wilfully obstructs a constable in the execution of his duty, or a person assisting a constable in the execution of the constable's duty. It is a summary only offence carrying a maximum penalty of one month's imprisonment and/or a level 3 fine. A person obstructs a constable if he prevents him from carrying out his duties or makes it more difficult for him to do so. The obstruction must be 'wilful', meaning the accused must act (or refuse to act) deliberately, knowing and intending his act will obstruct the constable: (Lunt v DPP [1993] Crim.L.R.534). The motive for the act is irrelevant. Many instances of obstruction relate to a physical and violent obstruction of an officer in, for example, a public order or arrest situation. This standard only deals with conduct which can amount to an obstruction in the context of an interference with public justice. Examples of the type of conduct which may constitute the offence of obstructing a police officer include:- Warning a landlord that the police are to investigate after hours drinking; warning that a police search of premises is to occur; giving a warning to other motorists of a police speed trap ahead; a motorist or 'shoplifter' who persists in giving a false name and address; a witness giving a false name and address; a partner who falsely claiming that he/she was driving at the time of the accident but relenting before the breathalyser procedure is frustrated; an occupier inhibiting the proper execution of a search warrant (if the warrant has been issued under the Misuse of Drugs Act, see also s 23 of that Act); refusing to admit constables into a house when there is a right of entry under s.4(7) of the road Traffic Act 1988 (arrest for driving etc while unfit through drink or drugs). Regard must be had to the factors outlined in General Charging Principles, above in this chapter and Charging Practice for Public Justice Offences, above in this chapter, which identify conduct too serious to charge as an obstruction, then consideration should be given to charges of assisting an offender, or perverting the course of justice. refer to Misrepresentation as to identity, elsewhere in this chapter. BUSTED Now if you would all come along quietly.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 Mungler You will notice that I did not previously reply. I wondered if you would pull everyone up. webber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 Webber, Please assist me in getting the fugatives in the back of the van. I would like to say "you're all nicked" in the style of John Thaw. Sweenytastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 You have to wonder though, and although it may constitute an offence, the act of warning oncoming traffic is far more effective than any speed trap or camera. The fact is, a warned motorist may observe the speed limit for some few miles before reaching said speed check. I just don't think it is fare when they position themselves in such a way that you do not stand a chance to conform. That said, I guess we shouldn't be speeding in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 Webber, Please assist me in getting the fugatives in the back of the van. I would like to say "you're all nicked" in the style of John Thaw. Sweenytastic. Ok guv! Can I it em now! webber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 I do think that the signs which flash up your speed, and other similar devises are most excellent. I also feel that every speed camera should have one positioned 100 yards or so before the camera. Then anyone caught speeding really does need a ticket. webber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 Thats an interesting test case....if a speeding car then slowed because of an automatic sign and then avoided been caught by a mobile police speed check, would that be an offence by the sign for preventing the officer from performing his duty. ...yeah, I know, I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul65 Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 Interestingly, you have all admitted Obstructing a police officer - section 89(2) Police Act 1996 and I place you all under citizens arrest. (Archbold 28-6) The offence of obstructing a police officer is committed when a person:- wilfully obstructs a constable in the execution of his duty, or a person assisting a constable in the execution of the constable's duty. It is a summary only offence carrying a maximum penalty of one month's imprisonment and/or a level 3 fine. A person obstructs a constable if he prevents him from carrying out his duties or makes it more difficult for him to do so. The obstruction must be 'wilful', meaning the accused must act (or refuse to act) deliberately, knowing and intending his act will obstruct the constable: (Lunt v DPP [1993] Crim.L.R.534). The motive for the act is irrelevant. Many instances of obstruction relate to a physical and violent obstruction of an officer in, for example, a public order or arrest situation. This standard only deals with conduct which can amount to an obstruction in the context of an interference with public justice. Examples of the type of conduct which may constitute the offence of obstructing a police officer include:- Warning a landlord that the police are to investigate after hours drinking; warning that a police search of premises is to occur; giving a warning to other motorists of a police speed trap ahead; a motorist or 'shoplifter' who persists in giving a false name and address; a witness giving a false name and address; a partner who falsely claiming that he/she was driving at the time of the accident but relenting before the breathalyser procedure is frustrated; an occupier inhibiting the proper execution of a search warrant (if the warrant has been issued under the Misuse of Drugs Act, see also s 23 of that Act); refusing to admit constables into a house when there is a right of entry under s.4(7) of the road Traffic Act 1988 (arrest for driving etc while unfit through drink or drugs). Regard must be had to the factors outlined in General Charging Principles, above in this chapter and Charging Practice for Public Justice Offences, above in this chapter, which identify conduct too serious to charge as an obstruction, then consideration should be given to charges of assisting an offender, or perverting the course of justice. refer to Misrepresentation as to identity, elsewhere in this chapter. BUSTED Now if you would all come along quietly.... I find it interesting that it's regarded as a positive thing to intervene to discourage someone from committing a crime but warning another motorist to stop speeding is in itself a crime. I'd suggest that's evidence that the purpose of speed traps isn't to discourage speeding but to generate revenue from those who are speeding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerico Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 It depends on the situation, if someones bobbing along then I will flash them but if they are blatantly hammering it then I wont. Obviously I flash all over bikes, Mopeds fit into the category as cars. If peoples are hammering it and there's not a speed camera then I'll flash them so they slow down. I also double flash people if they are driving like muppets in front of me or skip a light a bit late, it's funny how a double flash from a random headlight can instantly cure people from Idrivelikeadickitise for a month! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 I know I shouldn't laugh, but one of the Thames Valley 'safety vans' was slowing down to park up in a realy daft place near us, and whacked from behind by a half asleep motorist for he efforts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustyfox Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 I think motorists get plenty of warnings from the camara signs, any who need extra help are dumb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 I think motorists get plenty of warnings from the camara signs, any who need extra help are dumb. The original post is about mobile speed camera vans. You get no warning at all. So what are all these warnings we get then? Pray enlighten me, Oh wise one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 I think motorists get plenty of warnings from the camara signs, any who need extra help are dumb. I think they are referring to mobile speed traps, not fixed speed cameras. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 I think he is saying the white signs with the black outline of a speed camera are sufficient warning. However, they are everywhere and therefore act as no warning - much like the often ignored "30 mph" signs etc. We all speed, anyone who says otherwise is lying or a ******. Take your pick... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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