tulkyuk Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 I wasnt making fun of people who commit suicide - my father had a good mate do it a few years back - my comment was about the guy who could not get a women and was pulling the head off it all day long. Suicide is not a funny subject at all and is not a cowards way out - it must take a huge amount of balls to pull the trigger ( which my dads mate did) and leave a wife and family to put the piecs back togather and at this time of year is more depressing than ever , especially if moneys tight and the kids want all the things there friends want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berettaman1 Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 I would say, as a old bloke now, that to call such people as weak, get over it,......... is not to understand the terrible feelings of despair, lonely, thoughts that whatever you do no one really cares, your world is collapsing and there is nothing can be done to retrieve the situation, I only feel sorry for people who experience such despair that they decide to end their life, Who was it who said___ walk a mile in their shoes?......For young Gung Ho, members to scorn such tragic deaths, then I assure you that with time, and experience of life ,you will change your attitude, And meybe think...... THERE BUT FOR THE GRACE OF GOD! THERE GOES I!!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death from below Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 there was a story just a few days ago about a woman who had cancer and only a few months to live....so she gave her 5 year old son an overdose and killed him....then slit her own wrists and bled to death.......leaving a husband without a wife or a child......what an awful state of mind she must have been in......don't mind saying that I cried when i read the newspaper article.....I couldn't even begin to imagine what must be going on in someones head to carry out those actions..... very sad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr W Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 Sorry totally disagree it is a cowards way out, how much balls does it take to say of things have got so bad that instead of facing the problems and dealing with them I'll take the quick fix solution and top myself. The worst ones are those who leave a mess behind for their loved ones to clear up. yeah real heros. Perhaps harsh but this is how I feel about the topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr W Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 there was a story just a few days ago about a woman who had cancer and only a few months to live....so she gave her 5 year old son an overdose and killed him....then slit her own wrists and bled to death.......leaving a husband without a wife or a child......what an awful state of mind she must have been in......don't mind saying that I cried when i read the newspaper article.....I couldn't even begin to imagine what must be going on in someones head to carry out those actions..... very sad Very sad but utterly selfish, she wanted to be with her son so she killed her young lad with his whole life in front of him and ruined the husbands life and that of the rest of the family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berettaman1 Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 DFB, my mate, the terrible follow up to the story is, the lady (who was seperated from the childs father) was not suffering from a terminal disease at all, this was a local tragedy for me as this unfolded in Tipton, Near Dudley, Staffs. Poor woman was obviously unbalanced and took her own/and her poor sons life! What a terrible thing, to take a innocents life with your own. sorry my friend............And as for Dr W,s remarks you should be ashamed at your comments, ? yes OK remember what I said earlier , Walk a mile in their shoes first> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr W Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 NO I shouldn't be ashamed of anything. I feel sad for those who are going through **** in their lives and I would always be there for anyone who was going through **** if I could help but I will not agree that suicide is anything less than an easy way out. I'm entitled to my opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berettaman1 Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 Course you are bud, but if you havent faced such trauma in your life how can you judge? You are coming across as a Gung Ho. (LOOK HOW BRAVE I AM!! kind of bloke!! yeah O K come back on here in a few years time! tell us how brave youve been, (No Offence) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr W Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 Sorry not meaning to, I'm coming from the view of seeing the devastation to a lovely family and a group of friends when an old school friend did it. I still have to say though that there are other options no matter how bad things have come to killing yourself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Outlaw Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 I had a quick look and to be honest thats all it took. The people that talk about it are "crying for help" or attention seeking to put it a harsher way. The people that just go off and do it are the ones that get my sympathy, they dont normally involve others and will make sure that thier loved ones are'nt the ones that find them. When I lived in Burnham one of my sisters friends Dad threw himself in front of a train. I cant imagine the suffering the poor train driver had and will still have for years to come. Suicide is a nasty business and shouldnt be taken lightly. If you have a terminal illness and have no quality of life and you and your family are suffering I believe youthanasier? is the bet way out but you have to go abroad for it. Just a very sad fact of life that people have to even think about it. We just dont know how lucky we are sometimes. Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 I agree with "The Outlaw", I don't like blatant attention seekers either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Sweepy Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 for some people there is no simple answer. so they should not be judge for what they do suzy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berettaman1 Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 I agree with "The Outlaw", I don't like blatant attention seekers either. I dont want to fall out with anyone on this topic, But to kill yourself is( attention seeking)?So you want to kill yourself to see what peoples reaction is??Erm I dont think you would know what people are saying if you kill yourself or am I missing the point here, as said before , Walk a mile in their shoes first before judging these poor people! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flash Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 by no means is suicide the "easy way out", i know i could probably never do it. i have to agree with outlaw on this. after going through losing my mother to cancer, and the doctor asking my sister, my dad and me wether to attempt resucitation if my mum was to stop breathing. and agreeing to not attempt it. it really puts life into perspective. ain my eyes euthanasia should be legal in this country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Outlaw Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 I meant talking about it on a forum mate. I agree with the rest of your post though. To openly talk about it seems like there is nothing more on thier minds apart from seeking attention. If they need either counciling or just to talk there are other sources of comunication. We know a lot of youngsters that self harm and finding these sorts of sites on the internet will only add to thier screwed up attitudes. The people that post suicide threats are very troubled but I dont think they are getting the help they need from talking to other suicidal people. It would be like playing lemmings, when one goes the other would follow, so the site could be very quiet in the new year. BM1 I would never fall out with you because you and I know we are discussing not arguing. We need to help each other in times of trouble and the problem is these days there are not enough hours in the day to sort our own lives out let alone others, a sad fact of life mate. Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 I agree with "The Outlaw", I don't like blatant attention seekers either. I dont want to fall out with anyone on this topic, But to kill yourself is( attention seeking)?So you want to kill yourself to see what peoples reaction is??Erm I dont think you would know what people are saying if you kill yourself or am I missing the point here, as said before , Walk a mile in their shoes first before judging these poor people! I do apologise, I wasn't talking about suicide victims and had strayed a bit off topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berettaman1 Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 I agree with "The Outlaw", I don't like blatant attention seekers either. I dont want to fall out with anyone on this topic, But to kill yourself is( attention seeking)?So you want to kill yourself to see what peoples reaction is??Erm I dont think you would know what people are saying if you kill yourself or am I missing the point here, as said before , Walk a mile in their shoes first before judging these poor people! I do apologise, I wasn't talking about suicide victims and had strayed a bit off topic. Accepted my friend. I am not responding anymore on this topic as I dont want to fall out with members. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadkill Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 I agree with "The Outlaw", I don't like blatant attention seekers either. I dont want to fall out with anyone on this topic, But to kill yourself is( attention seeking)?So you want to kill yourself to see what peoples reaction is??Erm I dont think you would know what people are saying if you kill yourself or am I missing the point here, as said before , Walk a mile in their shoes first before judging these poor people! utter rubish , as said they get a choice other ppl dont so it is a cowards way out because they cant deal with life .... and you say walk a mile in there shoes hows about we walk a mile in the shoes of the ppl they leave behind or the poor train driver that hits one of these cowards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel b3 Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 there was a story just a few days ago about a woman who had cancer and only a few months to live....so she gave her 5 year old son an overdose and killed him....then slit her own wrists and bled to death.......leaving a husband without a wife or a child......what an awful state of mind she must have been in......don't mind saying that I cried when i read the newspaper article.....I couldn't even begin to imagine what must be going on in someones head to carry out those actions..... very sad this story is terrible , it's all the worse as it happened just a couple of hundred yards from us , i didn't realise that i knew the family until my wife reminded me who they were. i'm firmly with cranfield when it comes to attention seekers , they take the attention away from people that really do need help. over the years i've had several friends that have taken their own life , strangely enough , they never sought help or attention , they just went away and got on with it. over the years , i've often found myself in the mire for one reason or another , never once has it ever got so bad that i felt the need to end it all so god only knows what state of mind someone must be in to commit suicide. i'm with ron all the way , it must be really terrible to find yourself in the position where death is the best option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 In some situations I can see the reasoning. If I knew I had an illness that would mean 24 hour care and not knowing what's going on around me I would do it before things got that far, but it would have to be done after discussion with family etc. My stepmother was attention seeking. She had a loose rope around her neck but the knot in the rope hit a nerve (thousands to one chance) and she fainted, slumping down and taking up the tension. Coroner said open verdict, not suicide Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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