P.Shuter Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 Clearly the mother / father did not have parenting skills. How about a licence to have kids ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salisburykeeper Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 no but if i knew someone that had pittbulls and sold handguns and i didnt do something about it i would be to blame! its not really a comparison is it?comparing someone speeding to doing this, these are the type of people that are causing all of the problems! if i where you i wouldnt publicise you know these people, i dont think many people on this forum would find in favour of it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 How would you licence a dog ? Would potential owners have to pass some kind of a test, or is the licence just to record who owns such a dog ? There are many breeds that are bred to be home, personal, or livestock defence dogs and the list is very long. Other breeds not in this category, can be just as anti social and dangerous. Commonsense would prevent a lot of these incidents and if the people involved were prosecuted with very heavy penalties, it might make some of the owners a bit more sensitive to their responsiblities. After all the debate, a one year old lad is dead and that has to be a tragedy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodmedod.one Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 erm yes but a rottweiler doesnt look like a pitt bull , and they would be a little bit hard to hide.and if the people you know have handguns and pittbulls you must be very proud! i dont know if you have a sgc but if the police associate you with them you wont have it for long.your associates are the reason kids keep getting mauled by dogs, and kids keep getting shot! I wouldnt normally make a personal remark but airing on an open forum that you know people who have handguns and pittbulls is idiotic!! So where did Georgehare say he knew people who had illegally held handguns? Try reading the post properly before replying to it. It may prevent you from looking silly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salisburykeeper Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 they are "that sort of people" if they have illegal pitt bulls! but as they are keepers they obvoiusly arent idoits for having them in fact i bet they make fantastic gun dogs and arent a danger to anyone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulf Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 I KNOW OF several people in the pub who could aquire illicit goods. This however in no way makes me thier aquintence. I suspect you missread Georges post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salisburykeeper Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 erm yes but a rottweiler doesnt look like a pitt bull , and they would be a little bit hard to hide.and if the people you know have handguns and pittbulls you must be very proud! i dont know if you have a sgc but if the police associate you with them you wont have it for long.your associates are the reason kids keep getting mauled by dogs, and kids keep getting shot! I wouldnt normally make a personal remark but airing on an open forum that you know people who have handguns and pittbulls is idiotic!! So where did Georgehare say he knew people who had illegally held handguns? Try reading the post properly before replying to it. It may prevent you from looking silly fair enough but someone saying how easy handguns are to get hold of sort of says you know who to get them from! otherwise how would you know they where easy to get? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustyfox Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 How would you licence a dog ? Would potential owners have to pass some kind of a test, or is the licence just to record who owns such a dog ? There are many breeds that are bred to be home, personal, or livestock defence dogs and the list is very long. Other breeds not in this category, can be just as anti social and dangerous. Commonsense would prevent a lot of these incidents and if the people involved were prosecuted with very heavy penalties, it might make some of the owners a bit more sensitive to their responsiblities. After all the debate, a one year old lad is dead and that has to be a tragedy. I would put something along the lines of if you have a Rotweiller it should be muzzled and leased. This law is working in Germany, France and Holland at the moment, why cant we have the same here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salisburykeeper Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 How would you licence a dog ? Would potential owners have to pass some kind of a test, or is the licence just to record who owns such a dog ? There are many breeds that are bred to be home, personal, or livestock defence dogs and the list is very long. Other breeds not in this category, can be just as anti social and dangerous. Commonsense would prevent a lot of these incidents and if the people involved were prosecuted with very heavy penalties, it might make some of the owners a bit more sensitive to their responsiblities. After all the debate, a one year old lad is dead and that has to be a tragedy. they have had dog licences in place in northern ireland for a while now and the incident statistics have gone down in number as a result.i agree common sense would be the best option and the way the northern ireland licence works is helping to enforce a penalty for offenders , exactly what you are saying! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpowder Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 Why does a member of the public need a Rotwieler? blackpowder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salisburykeeper Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 no but this thread is about a rottweiler killing a baby, and you have come on here saying you know people "gamekeeper friends" who have illegal pitt bulls and can get illegal pitt bulls. ok i probably misenterpreted about the guns but thats immaterial to the thread anyway! The fact remains that putting a licence in place to stop idiots like your mates keeping pitt bulls is a must, you are living testimony to the fact that to many people are irresponsible and turn a blind eye to dangerous and illegal dogs being kept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salisburykeeper Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 Really can't be bothered to keep arguing my point, this is going nowhere. You can stick to your naive attitude and we will have to agree to disagree. you have friends who keep illegal pitt bull dogs, dont really see your point to be honest! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodmedod.one Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 no but this thread is about a rottweiler killing a baby, and you have come on here saying you know people "gamekeeper friends" who have illegal pitt bulls and can get illegal pitt bulls. ok i probably misenterpreted about the guns but thats immaterial to the thread anyway! The fact remains that putting a licence in place to stop idiots like your mates keeping pitt bulls is a must, you are living testimony to the fact that to many people are irresponsible and turn a blind eye to dangerous and illegal dogs being kept. Any dog is capable of killing a one year old kid, should they all be banned? Bedtime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salisburykeeper Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 no but this thread is about a rottweiler killing a baby, and you have come on here saying you know people "gamekeeper friends" who have illegal pitt bulls and can get illegal pitt bulls. ok i probably misenterpreted about the guns but thats immaterial to the thread anyway! The fact remains that putting a licence in place to stop idiots like your mates keeping pitt bulls is a must, you are living testimony to the fact that to many people are irresponsible and turn a blind eye to dangerous and illegal dogs being kept. Any dog is capable of killing a one year old kid, should they all be banned? Bedtime. no, but licencing dogs to cut down on the wrong types keeping them will help stop these attacks in the future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 they have had dog licences in place in northern ireland for a while now and the incident statistics have gone down in number as a result.i agree common sense would be the best option and the way the northern ireland licence works is helping to enforce a penalty for offenders , exactly what you are saying! I understood that the Northern Ireland dog licence is the same as our old one, you just pop down the Post Office and buy it, they cost a fiver. That doesn't sound like any deterrent to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salisburykeeper Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 they have had dog licences in place in northern ireland for a while now and the incident statistics have gone down in number as a result.i agree common sense would be the best option and the way the northern ireland licence works is helping to enforce a penalty for offenders , exactly what you are saying! I understood that the Northern Ireland dog licence is the same as our old one, you just pop down the Post Office and buy it, they cost a fiver. That doesn't sound like any deterrent to me. no its a bit more stringent than that , take a look at this link http://www.colerainebc.gov.uk/show.php?id=411 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 I had already had a look at that link, which I found when doing a Google search, just to see if things had changed over there. That licence creates a record of who has what dog(s), which I can understand helps controls strays, etc., but it doesn't contain any other "qualifications". I still believe it is not the dogs fault, regardless of breed, its always the owners fault, they have the responsibility to keep the dog under control. If that means caged, leashed, muzzled etc., then so be it. As I said earlier, if there were long prison sentences for owners whose dogs were involved in these attacks, that would at least be some deterrent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 SK you're missing a few points. In two recent attacks the former involving an illegal pit bull there were prison sentences handed out. In this case it was deemed a tragic accident, Efforts were made so the dog and child didn't mix and a 7 year old was the one at fault would you like her charged! A dog licence will do nothing these dogs are no worse than an awful lot of breeds and they are very different to hardcore fighting dogs like pit bulls. Having seen an awful lot of pit bulls as my dad was vet to a number of quarantine kennels where they went before being destroyed I believe they have no place being bred in the UK. Rotweillers and dobermans and Alsations and the likes are big dogs and you need to be sensible would I have one as a guard dog if my house kept getting broken into then the answer is possibly. Would I let it mix with kids then no but in this case they tried to keep them separate and hence it was classed as an accident. If you look at children killed I think you'll find more are killed by horses and ponies than dogs would you like them licensed as well?? as Gh said I also know how pit bulls are brought into the country and believe it or not a lot come in via northern Ireland and they do have a real problem over there with them and licensing won't help because the people involved will ignore it and the dog won't enter the country as a Pit Bull they come in as an assortment of crosses and live like that. My dad used to act as an expert witness for the police when they tried to charge people with having an outlawed dog and it used to be very hard to get a prosecution as you'll have the Vet saying its a Pit Bull type dog and the owner saying it isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salisburykeeper Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 SK you're missing a few points. If you look at children killed I think you'll find more are killed by horses and ponies than dogs would you like them licensed as well?? ive got 5 horses and they all have passports,i agree accidents can happen anytime with anything and any animal,but the point im trying to stress is that to many irresponsible people keep potentially dangerous dogs that they cannot control and use them as a status symbol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 having a horse passport in no way judges you as an owner or protects young kids from being kicked or falling off them. You are missing that you only hear when someone gets bitten by one of these dogs not from every responsible owner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 I can see salisburykeeper's point, that if people were made to have a licence, it might make them take more responsiblity. However, I think the cost of the licence would have to be significant enough to make some people think twice about owning a dog in the first place (concessions for OAPs, working dogs, etc) and the penalties for no licence, would also have to be high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBill Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 Having now read all of the comments here, most are ill informed and generalisations. I believe all dog owners should be made acountable for their dogs actions from fouling to bites and attacks, which should be enforced in law through enforcable fines and imprisonment. The Rottie breed is not a devil dog and all dogs are capable of killing ie the Pomerian in Canada that mauled a baby to death. The breed is dependable, loyal and bred for it's capability for defence not for attack. It is NOT pre disposed toward attack or bites in it's true breed but I accept that like some other breeds some undesirable traits have been bred in to the unpure lines. In evidence of that we had some Border Terriers when I was growing up that could not be be socialised with other dogs outside of their pack nor with people because they had been bred for their capabilities in taking fox which unfortunately has destroyed other traits. The kennel club standard for the Rottie is: ..."Temperament- Good natured, not nervous, aggressive or vicious; courageous, biddable, with natural guarding instincts."... anything else is man's doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 An OAP with a Rottweiller in a Post Office queue. Cool. He'd soon get served! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Suffolk shooter Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 Having now read all of the comments here, most are ill informed and generalisations. I believe all dog owners should be made acountable for their dogs actions from fouling to bites and attacks, which should be enforced in law through enforcable fines and imprisonment. The Rottie breed is not a devil dog and all dogs are capable of killing ie the Pomerian in Canada that mauled a baby to death. The breed is dependable, loyal and bred for it's capability for defence not for attack. It is NOT pre disposed toward attack or bites in it's true breed but I accept that like some other breeds some undesirable traits have been bred in to the unpure lines. In evidence of that we had some Border Terriers when I was growing up that could not be be socialised with other dogs outside of their pack nor with people because they had been bred for their capabilities in taking fox which unfortunately has destroyed other traits. The kennel club standard for the Rottie is: ..."Temperament- Good natured, not nervous, aggressive or vicious; courageous, biddable, with natural guarding instincts."... anything else is man's doing. Correct, no such thing as a bad dog, just bad owners. SS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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