al4x Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 If the question is the one I've read, Its pretty barmy not to be able to wait to ask it during office hours, I can think of a few times you might need help out of hours but that would entail police officers at the door to collect your guns. To me there isn't a debate here but hey I'll duck when the toys come flying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lock&load Posted February 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 its not just about my question to basc its if anyone needed to ask something they felt important ,please stop using just my situation its if you are in circumstances were you need ,or feel you need basc advice at weekend can you get it or should you be able to .!!!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Sam Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 No I can't get it, and no I don't need to be able to do. Look on the bright side, you post count has gone up from 16 to 21 in an hour! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 I think the point was well made and made with good intentions. I think that the service BASC offers should be open to question and scrutiny by the membership, AND if, in the opinion of a member’ it is not up to scratch then that member should have a right to air their views. I am very grateful to this forum and it’s members for the frank and open exchanges that it generates. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham M Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Just a thought…but what happens if you are out roost shooting late on Saturday evening and you are suddenly confronted by armed police who arrest you and remove your guns. Who you gonna call…………… G.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alycidon Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 I have always found the BASC service perfectly adequate time wise and very good in their info and support aspects. Over the years I have referred quite a few people to them usually with problems of FEOs making upi their own laws as they go along,, all have been quietlyand proffessionally dealt with. Even £100 for £10m worth of cover is worth it in my book. A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonno 357 Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Just a thought…but what happens if you are out roost shooting late on Saturday evening and you are suddenly confronted by armed police who arrest you and remove your guns. Who you gonna call…………… G.M. And there's something strange in the neighbourhood................ Who you gunna calll......................... Jonno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Just a thought…but what happens if you are out roost shooting late on Saturday evening and you are suddenly confronted by armed police who arrest you and remove your guns. Who you gonna call…………… G.M. A serious answer to that question is, my solicitor. He would be able to do more for me in those circumstances than the BASC. A call to them on the Monday morning might be useful. The real acid test is how many times have you needed to speak urgently to the BASC outside of office hours ? I suspect the answer from most members would be, "never". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbart Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Try getting a solicitor on a weekend!!If by chance you could you would have to sell your car to pay for a couple of hours work off him. I can see a need for the weekend basc contact but i think it would only be a case of police at the door wanting guns or something very similar,so it would be used very sparsley and the idea of putting a contact on a premium rate number is a good one cos if you are so worried about the reason you are phoning you shouldnt mind paying extra to put your mind at rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Graham As Cranfield says, probably my solicitor, who charges like a rhino. Can you advise us what the NGO offers its members under such circumstances? webber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lock&load Posted February 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 I think the point was well made and made with good intentions. I think that the service BASC offers should be open to question and scrutiny by the membership, AND if, in the opinion of a member’ it is not up to scratch then that member should have a right to air their views. I am very grateful to this forum and it’s members for the frank and open exchanges that it generates. David i am very happy with the service i have had from the basc and would not hessitate in renewing membership and i have also recruted over 40 members from around my area,and yes maybe the premium rate is a avenue to explore,but there is always room for improvement its just at what level it becomes important to the individual and the circumstances in wich they occour,to me i was in doubt,so i turned to the only source i felt could give me correct and accurate advice . no crime there,just took time to get answers maybe basc could have something like this so people could post or txt service were someone would get back as soon as possible through txt alert or a call this number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 The BASC do a sterling job within the confines of their remit which is essentially representing shooting and conservation to forward and preserve our sport. Ive never thought that they offer anything particularly for the Pigeon shooter (as many game shooters see us as poor relations) other than an the odd article in the quaterly magazine and what appears to be a realistically priced Public Liability Insurance policy , but then again Ive never had cause to use it so I wouldnt know. I am a member and will continue to support an organization which represents the grass roots shooter at political level but have never viewed it as a public information service weekend or otherwise. I think in my opinion your queries would have been better directed to Defra, although saying that, if you managed to get hold of someone who wasnt brought up in the smoke or came here on a boat, and actually knew something about the industry they are employed in you would be doing extremely well. In short I dont think a weekend BASC advice Hotline would serve any purpose at all and would be untenable. And for all of you Who dont consider that your getting VFM with the annual membership fee try getting an equivilent comprehensive Public Liability Insurance with the additional legal benefits which the Basc provide, at a sensible premium and see how much you have to pay! FM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duey Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 (edited) I don't think that there is anything that BASC could do for me that could not wait for office hours, yes it would be nice to be able to get the information and advice as and when it was needed 24/7 but I feel that this would have a hugh cost implication that BASC themselves could not justify to its membership Even if the police were at your door on a Saturday or Sunday demanding your firearms I doubt that plod would lisen to a BASC representative on the phone at that point so a phone call Monday morning would be your best option In short, it would be nice if the service was available, but not I feel an essential criteria Ian Edited February 25, 2008 by duey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 L&L. Welcome to the basc appreciation web site. next time you need help on a weekend . phone a mate in the pub i should have done the only time i needed the basc help. bring it on boys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Mark, Don't be so coy! I know you love BASC and support BASC 100% David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Mark I am aware that you are an ex BASC member who became disafectioned for reasons not known to me. However I note that you have a prod whenever you can, fair enough if it pleases you; but I also feel that you should also question the effectiveness of your chosen organisation, which claims to support interests in Scotland. Yet a recent joint press release with regards to snaring in Scotland was noticabley devoid of your organisations patronage. Would you care to enlighten us as to your chosen organizations out of hours services to deal with a case such as the one highlighted by L&L. Maybe you need to accept that 100,000 + members cant all be wrong. webber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Mark Maybe you need to accept that 100,000 + members cant all be wrong. Well put ! Like AA and Gamblers Anonymous admiting one is wrong is always the hardest step.....There but for the grace of god go I FM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferretman Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 so wot if it was a problem a really bad 1 is that ok to get no sevice at the weekend even if you need it befor monday !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tulkyuk Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 (edited) They wont give you a job Webber - no matter how much you suck up to them Edited February 25, 2008 by tulkyuk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferretman Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 at the end of the day the people with the basc are going to stick up for it and likewise so there no point shouting i admit i left basc but it dose not mean others have or are going to. i am with the c a nah and i love it there but every 1 is different yes it would be nice but it will never happen..best regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferretman Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 he dus a bit lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Tulky I doubt that BASC could afford me; although I may stand for election to the council when I retire. I just feel that I need to defend an organisation that I appreciate, and supports the sport that I love. I do get a little annoyed, I almost typed ****** off, when people support organisations which claim to do something, when they clearly dont or cant due to lack of members and funding. Yet their members basque in the limelight of work conducted by BASC, paid for by its members. I would compare this to people who wont work, dont pay tax etc who constantly complain about government services, yet contribute nothing towards them, other than patronage. webber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Mark I am aware that you are an ex BASC member who became disafectioned for reasons not known to me. However I note that you have a prod whenever you can, fair enough if it pleases you; but I also feel that you should also question the effectiveness of your chosen organisation, which claims to support interests in Scotland. Yet a recent joint press release with regards to snaring in Scotland was noticabley devoid of your organisations patronage. Would you care to enlighten us as to your chosen organizations out of hours services to deal with a case such as the one highlighted by L&L. Maybe you need to accept that 100,000 + members cant all be wrong. webber hi mr webber. having a prod if it pleases you. tried there service and it was lacking, ( for me) so should i not give others the benefit of my advice, whats the difference with you bulling them up please.or are we only allowed air our views of them if its good. as far as fox snaring in scotland goes. Thanks Tom. Please post the following: From Ian Clark, Director of the Scottish Association for Country Sports I have been asked to comment on the post made by ‘Big Dug’ on the snaring issue which has for some reason appeared in this thread. Firstly, I agree with Big Dug, to the extent that there is currently a consultation exercise being carried out, and one possible outcome could be the banning of snaring in Scotland. This consultation has once again been provoked by pressure from the League Against Cruel Sports and similar extremist groups. All of us who work for country sports in Scotland are well aware of this consultation, and are taking an active part in the consultation in our own ways. I see that Big Dug has pasted a large amount of text from one of the Countryside Alliance newsletters, which urges their members to contact their MSP’s and show support for the retention of snaring. I fully support their efforts, and hope that they help in some way, however small. However, the fact that Big Dug “hasn’t seen SACS doing anything about this yet†only means that he doesn’t know what we are doing, not that we are not doing anything. In fact, I know from long experience that routine mailings to MSP’s have little or no effect - half of them are binned without being read and I rarely waste my time and resources on such bulk mailings. I also have serious reservations about the stance taken by some other organisations on these consultations - to me, they appear to only try to keep what little we have left, and are purely defensive - they wait till someone tries to ban yet another part of our sports, and then try to stop them. I take a different view entirely - that our sports have been eroded time and again by the effective propaganda machines that the extremist “anti†organisations have, and that we should be on the attack to regain what we have lost, not just keep what little we have left. I am currently in quiet private discussions with individual MSP’s - the ones who I think will decide what the government policy will be in the future - on the snaring consultation, hunting with dogs and other vital aspects of country sports. My view is that MSP’s have been misled by propaganda, and they are beginning to agree. I am providing them with sensible, unbiased information, not just to keep what we still have, but to regain some of the freedom we have lost over the past decade. For the record, I want to see far less restrictions on snaring, not more, and the legalization once more of hunting foxes and other quarry species with dogs where it can be shown that this would be an effective and humane way of taking them. That is what SACS members want - a return to common sense - and that is what SACS is doing. Good hunting Ian Clark out of hours help. i have the mans phone number,hows that for good service. as for 100,000 member not being wrong, how many have tried to get help of the basc. you should take a minute and read some of my posts mate i push basc membership more than any other. so iam sorry if i have upsett you once again,so get of you horse and please take on board that basc may not be right for everyone. Only my opinion mate. like you i am entitled to one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Sam Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Yawn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 I used to be with The CA but they made such a hash of trying to prevent the ban on Fox Hunting ( too little too late) That I became disillusioned with them. I appreciate that they have a massive membership but many of them are hangers on from the stockbroker belt who consider it fashionable to shoot at a Pheasant or chase a fox without any understanding of why. I actually attended both Rallies and to be honest many of the people there were not Country people at all just along for the day out with Rupert and Sophie and a chance to wear the newest country fashion. Most of em wouldnt know the difference between a Pheasant & a Partridge and think Venison is a posh name for best Angus from Waitrose......Anyway im going slightly off thread now with this one. FM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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