DRUG'S AND FAC

[bignoel]

i have a question a chap i know had his home raided for drugs the police found drugs at his property 9 oz of skunk he had his guns removed. but he was offerd a caution .which he accepted and got his shotti's returned after 4 weeks is this right.

[Poacher]

under this government cannabis is only a cautionable offence for possesion, so i guess the answer is yes.

Whether its correct morally is a matter of opinion.

Personally i'd say it would have a lot to do with the person involved and reasons for possesion etc

[bignoel]

his wife took a caution as well and lost her job as a school escort driver ? ? and she had no involvement. his involvement with the drugs was he had them bagged up in small bags for sale scales as well just find it strange his wife ended up paying for his ways.

[Devilishdave]

I knew a guy years ago who was an outstanding shot fringes of National team at .22 Small bore target shooting he had a few drugs issues and had his FAC removed. I think it was a little worse than Cannabis though. Personaly I think they should take all drugies down to the MOD ranges for realistic target practice!! It would save on Fig 11 and 12 Targgets!! It has been said that I can have a tendancy to be slightly to the right of Ghengis Kahn!

 

Dave

[dazza]

his wife took a caution as well and lost her job as a school escort driver ? ? and she had no involvement. his involvement with the drugs was he had them bagged up in small bags for sale scales as well just find it strange his wife ended up paying for his ways.

 

 

so he was a drug dealer?

[bignoel]

basicly yes he was and still is a drug dealer ?

[Big_Sam]

He is lucky to even get the shotties back.

 

He probably wont get a renewal though.

[bignoel]

when they returned them that was his renewal date ?

[bob300w]

I think that you would be lucky to keep your guns in Essex, there seems to be an automatic removal of SGC and FAC licenses for drink related driving bans, although one or two have got away with it. Those that I know that have had their tickets withdrawn, have had them returned, on request, after the ban expired though.There have been instances where lads have had their tickets withdrawn because they were getting divorced, possibly aided by a bit of stirring from the wives, definitly in one case, she phoned the police and said that she was afraid that he might shoot her. Hell hath no fury.......etc

[fullbore]

wasn't there a story a while back about a guy, an fac holder, who had an antique firearm as well his licensed guns. the police took all his guns and gave him a caution, which meant he was a criminal so they withdrew his fac and basc had to get involved to get the caution withdrawn.

 

PS Im with devilishdave on this one druunks or druggies have no business with firearms

[bignoel]

so very true i agree

[Mungler]

PS Im with devilishdave on this one druunks or druggies have no business with firearms

 

 

I dunno. Deer Hunter was such a great film.

[mr_colt]

Accepting a caution is an admission of guilt in law. So if the guys wife had nothing to do with it then she should have refused the caution. Even if it meant going to court as a result.

 

Drugs and FAC (though you mention shotguns so shouldn't it read "Drug's and SGC"?) do not mix. A quoted appeal case in the police firearms licensing guidance from the home office is rather relevant to this:

 

Dabek v Chief Constable of Devon and

Cornwall (1991), where the court ruled that

a woman of good character should not

possess a gun where her husband had two

ancient drug convictions but still associated

with drug users

 

Likely he will not get through his renewal intact to say the least. I can personally attest how strong the police opinion is on this: They really treated me like **** over the fact that I am legitimately prescribed some controlled drugs. Namely moderate-strength opioids for pain relief and some sleeping pill that were used for when my insomnia is really bad.

 

I have fully cleared the DVLA medical requirements and hold an unrestricted licence; My Doctors have said there is not reason why I shouldn't drive if I feel ok to do so. Yet the police seemed to think that I was at risk of being drowsy and therefore unsafe to handle firearms as a result of the medication. They treated it like it was the same as consuming alcohol; that there was no way I could self assess my ability at a given point in time. There justification for this was that the side effects said "may cause drowsiness." - Which in their mind meant it happened to everyone all the time.

 

They couldn't accept that not all people react the same to meds and that the body gets used to the drug if used long term, therefore meaning no drowsiness to speak of in most cases. I personally have never experienced any drowsiness at all from taking the pain-killers. Furthermore they had sought no medical opinion from any professional regarding this; instead using the supreme reliability of an internet print-off from an illegal online pharmacy based on an entirely different opioid. I do not appreciate being chastised by anyone over my legitimate medical treatment without any factual basis; least not of all the Police.

 

Still going back to the thread topic, I am highly surprised someone who was caught with 9oz of Cannabis and equipment to suggest dealing was allowed to keep his guns and cert. It's obviously one rule for some and another for the rest of us it seems!

 

mr_colt.

Edited March 15, 2008 by mr_colt

[skb 557]

I dont think people should have any involvement with drug's or any thing iliegal but i also think if your the sort who thinks people should be shot for miner offences you have no right with fire arms it really sickens me how sex offenders are rarely prossecuted,, tho now theose are THE REAL scumbags, but back to the drugs thing you have no right to atacck people who use drugs if you your self drink or smoke as these are also drugs and not all that long ago it was a crime to use and posses theose,, and they are very dangerus to ones self and others, but we pay alot of tax on them and are goverment gets righer of them so its ok???

 

 

is any one aware of the rules on getting an fac if you have no criminal convictions but have in the past used drugs as my mate has been into shooting sports for a few years but has never gone in for his fac as he use to use heroin but he did work for his drugs the only crime he's ever commited is buying them but he thinks he;ll get refused if he puts in for his fac i think it'd be ok as he's a really good bloke just been a silly in the past and i new him when he was on drugs and it was unnoticeable as he's always looked healthy and clean and worked long and hard and the last thing any one who knows him would call him is a smak head....

But what do you all think?? on him going in for his fac i mean?

 

 

But back to the point of the post the guy was a bit of a **** to become a drug dealler in the first place and even more so with his fac involed and atsteak..

Edited March 15, 2008 by skb 557

[Dirty Harry]

under this government cannabis is only a cautionable offence for possesion, so i guess the answer is yes.

 

Not true. Depending on your previous, ammount or drugs found on you, your age and the circumstances depends if your cautioned or charged.

 

Personally I think he should not get his guns back.

 

Harry

[mr_colt]

I dont think people should have any involvement with drug's or any thing iliegal but i also think if your the sort who thinks people should be shot for miner offences you have no right with fire arms it really sickens me how sex offenders are rarely prossecuted tho now theose are THE REAL scumbags, but back to the drugs thing you have no right to atack people who use drugs if you your self drink or smoke as these are also drugs and not all that long ago were a crime and are very dangerus to ones self and others but we pay alot of tax on them and are goverment gets righer of them so its ok???

 

 

is any one aware of the rules on getting an fac if you have no criminal convictions but have in the past used drugs as my mate has been into shooting sports for a few years but has never gone in for his fac as he use to use heroin but he did work for his drugs the only crime he's ever commited is buying them but he thinks he;ll get refused if he puts in for his fac i think it'd be ok as he's a really good bloke just been a silly in the past and i new him when he was on drugs and it was unnoticeable as he's always looked healthy and clean and the last thing any one who knows him would call him is a smak head....

But what do you all think?? on him goin in for his fac i mean?

 

I am not aware of alcohol ever being illegal to consume in Britain. Perhaps you are thinking of the American prohibition period? Neither was tobacco; it has been imported since Elizabethan times. King James didn't like people smoking tobacco very much but he never banned it.

 

Anyone who uses recreational drugs illegally has to accept the legal consequences whether the agree with the laws or not. Personally I think super-grade skunk is a real problem at the moment; generating drug-related psychosis in a significant number of people.

 

Obviously the guy will have to declare his previous heroin problem on the FAC form; obviously the police will want to get his doctors records regarding it. It is very difficult to say as to whether the police will grant a cert or not given it was a class a drug that was illegally taken.

 

mr_colt.

[lurcherboy]

i have a question a chap i know had his home raided for drugs the police found drugs at his property 9 oz of skunk he had his guns removed. but he was offerd a caution .which he accepted and got his shotti's returned after 4 weeks is this right.

 

 

You would do well to remove yourself from your drug dealer friends circle.

 

Police intelligence will show that you are on his mobile or landline bill, have been tagged together, or share a circle of associates and you will be flagged and this will show on a search.

 

Is it right?

 

Who knows

 

 

 

LB

[MC]

Being a drug dealer he probably has no need for an FAC, hand guns in glove boxes don't need a licence.

[Mungler]

No Martin, illegal guns (hand guns) have been "banned" by this illustrious government.

[OneEye]

I'm astonished that the police let him have the guns back. If he'd been caught with a small amount for personal use he still ought to have had the cert. revoked and had to reapply, but operating as a drug dealer...! Words fail me.

[bignoel]

his wife was not upto date on the caution else i think she would of declined sorry its not a [FAC] but a shotti cert .she has since booted him out ? but he is liveing god knows where and she still has the shotguns in his cabinet at her house now i thought if you had a gun cabinet you had to live in same house as the guns i am a shotgun holder but new to it .this lad seems to have his own law and getting away with it ,

[MM]

drugs = ILLEGAL

i know there are different levels of breaking the law, but show me someone who does not know that drugs are illegal. we all know the law.

[njc110381]

I think he should have them removed for 10 years. Everyone can change, but this looks a little silly to me. He shouldn't have a firearm of any kind now until he can prove he's sorted himself out.

[bignoel]

lurcherboy i am not an assoicate of his and he does not have my mobile i do not move in the same circles as him it is a sticky situation as to how i know him i can asure you i would hang him by the bollo-ks if i thought i could get away with it,

[mr_colt]

drugs = ILLEGAL

i know there are different levels of breaking the law, but show me someone who does not know that drugs are illegal. we all know the law.

 

Absolutely right; the the declassification of cannabis to class c means: That getting caught with a small amount for personal use will almost certainly mean a automatic offer a caution as opposed to being charged. Though repeat offenders will not experience such leniency. Broadly speaking the police will turn a blind eye to the consumption of class c drugs within a persons home. Though do it in public and you will be arrested an charged.

 

Obviously if you also happen to be a FAC/SGC holder or a prospective one; then this will have serious effect on your ability to get a cert. Illegal drug use comes under "intemperate habits" type clause. Meaning the police cannot be satisfied you judgment and character is to an acceptable standard to be able to own firearms.

 

The personal point I was making though is that people like me on legitimately prescribed medications which; incidentally happen to be controlled substances (nowhere near the level or risk occupied by recreational drugs) : Shouldn't get badly treated by FEO's as a result. Especially when if they had bothered to get a medical opinion; they would have found it made no difference on the persons judgment or behavior. I do not get "high" off my pain-killers (it is physically impossible for me to do so anyway.) I just get a level of pain-relief from them. The sleeping pills help me sleep when insomnia is bad. Otherwise the meds I am on don't affect me in any other way.

 

So I am rather perturbed how lightly this illegal skunk "dealer" has got off so lightly when, I have broken no laws nor abused drugs but get the third degree from the FEO's as a result. Still maybe in West Mercia they will be more understanding than Staffs.

 

mr_colt.