bob300w Posted April 29, 2008 Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 The biggest eye opener i ever had was seeing ricochets coming back from the range on a night shoot on the stamford battle area . We had a night shoot and lots of us were using tracers for obvious reasons . Most were shooting 7.62 and some were shootiing .22 . The real scary thing was to see the angles at which the rounds were coming back off the steel targets and the ground . They went in every direction imaginable and many came straight back towards the shooting line . Targets were illuminated at ,500 ,1000 ,and 1200 , yards and 100 yards for the .22 . No matter what target you shot at you would get ricochets . Since then i have been more aware of the possibility of ricochets . Harnser . Yep, full metal jacket 7.62 is notorious for ricochets, as bad as a 22 rf. As you say, it really is surprising the angles that bullets ricochet at, I had always assumed that they would carry on in the same direction that they were fired, but you really have to watch tracer to believe it, it goes every angle possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob300w Posted April 29, 2008 Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 "how about the ricochets do they still bounce ?" Yes, they do, fire one into the sea on a still day, you will see it skipping like a flat stone does. 357 magnums will do it as well. Bob , why were you shooting into the sea ? Is this the essex way of cod fishing . Of course, it's called "shooting a line". It works better if you rub cod liver oil on your bullets, or was that a cure for piles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted April 29, 2008 Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 Yep, full metal jacket 7.62 is notorious for ricochets, as bad as a 22 rf. As you say, it really is surprising the angles that bullets ricochet at, I had always assumed that they would carry on in the same direction that they were fired, but you really have to watch tracer to believe it, it goes every angle possible. I have told this tale before, and when we go back I will try and video it, but we stood behind a 50 cal firing tracer, and after hitting the target at about 1000 yards the bullet went up and right at about 45 degrees you had to be there to beleive it . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deerhunter26 Posted April 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 does anyone use the .17 as it woud seem that most seem to use the hmr, and why dont they make a .22lr ballistic tip? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted April 29, 2008 Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 because at 22LR velocities there isn't enough energy to open up a ballistic tip. The HMR is the 17 HMR if that's what you're asking. Most people have ignored the 17 HM2 because the HMR gets an extra 60 yards on the business end. Now that the HM2 is cheaper by half on ammo it is getting more consideration. But not much more. Thanks Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye ive Posted April 29, 2008 Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 i know this question has probably been asked a million times, but i have been out a few times shooting with my .22lr and have had numerous ricochets and im slightly concerned as to where the bullet is ending up even with a back stop they still seem to ricochet, is the .17 or the .17hmr less likley to ricochet and what is the rough price for ammo for the .17 and .17hmr as i have the sako quad and would be fairly easy to convert, any suggestions would be much appreciated cheers Bin the Bi-pod and elevate your firing point by learning to shoot off sticks .............Try getting closer as well .......My ricks were a result of shooting prone and beyond the capabilities of myself and the rifle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 I've had a HMR round ricochet. On the same stoney ground that stuarts mate shoots over. It had a good ring to it too, it probably went a fair distance before coming down i have only ever had 1 do that and it also sounded like it went for quite away too!! , it was one of the 20grn hallow points Mine was a 17grn ballistic tip Remington. I fired at a crow from prone at about 75 yards. The backstop was fairly shallow angled, but reasonable. I think it must have been an unlucky hit on a flint or something. To give a better picture I wouldn't have taken the shot if I didn't have a good view of the field well past the bird. The bullet wouldn't have left the field, but only because it was a very big field! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlander Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 I've shot with a .22 and shoot with mates who use .22s and ricochets are pretty common (hate that sound as always wonder where that bit of lead is gonna end up) but I've yet to have one happen with the .17 which IMO is a great small varmint rifle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye ive Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 I've shot with a .22 and shoot with mates who use .22s and ricochets are pretty common (hate that sound as always wonder where that bit of lead is gonna end up) but I've yet to have one happen with the .17 which IMO is a great small varmint rifle. I have had a richochet with my .223 using the roof of a landrover as the firing point (Shooting hatch ) It'll will happen one day with the .17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salop Matt Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 Strange question but has anyone had a richochet ever do any known damage ? From any caliber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 Strange question but has anyone had a richochet ever do any known damage ? From any caliber. Good question. Think of the .22 as being the most popular round in the UK and probably the world. How many incidents have been reported? Production of rimfire rounds is estimated at 2–2.5 billion rounds/year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlander Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 Strange question but has anyone had a richochet ever do any known damage ? From any caliber. Some years ago a woman who was walking with a friend on Bisley common was hit in the head and killed by a 9mm round. The result of a bullet richochet from an army shooting ground. Ironic as I believe she was the wife of a serving RAF officer. There was also a well documented case of a young lad who was killed by a bullet richochet through an indoor firing range but I don't have any details. Just goes to show...if it's got your name on it...but IMO life is for living, get on with it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 Th ere was the incident of a painter who was painting a club house at bizley some years ago and was struck in the head by a ricochet and was killed instantly . It was determined that the bullet was a ricochet from the military range next door . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 I fancied reading more about both of those stories, but a search of the web produced nothing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 When I was a lad a pellet from my .22 air rifle went through the garden fence, bounced off of the neighbours washing line and cracked their living room window! That's about the worst I've experienced. Relate that story to a .22lr though, and it could have killed someone. Once it's left the gun it's out of your control, so any ricochet is a pretty bad situation if luck isn't on your side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob300w Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 Report in the Telegraph, 2005; "An accountant whose bra saved her life when she was shot in the chest described yesterday how she looked down at the blood on her clothes and thought she was going to die. Helen Kelly, 24, was outside an exhibition centre in the City of London in the early hours of the morning when a gun battle broke out between rival gangs who had attended the Urban Music Awards ceremony. She collapsed to the ground after being struck in the crossfire, but escaped serious injury because the bullet hit the underwire of her bra and was deflected away from her chest and through her right breast." No mention of what the gun was, or if it was a Wonderbra, but if a bullet will ricochet off a bra...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deerhunter26 Posted April 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 the reason i started this chat was when i was out bunny bashing a couple of knights ago i shot at a bunny with a backstop and the bullet ricoched went flying through some trees and hit what i hope was a fence or a wall fu**ing hard and it put the bloody wind up me because if it was a window or more serious the police would have been called and i would be in the brown and nasty but this is only my experiance and i dont want it to happen again i know there has not been that many incidents compared with the ammount of .22 rounds that get fired but its only a matter of time and i dont want it to be me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye ive Posted May 1, 2008 Report Share Posted May 1, 2008 the reason i started this chat was when i was out bunny bashing a couple of knights ago i shot at a bunny with a backstop and the bullet ricoched went flying through some trees and hit what i hope was a fence or a wall fu**ing hard and it put the bloody wind up me because if it was a window or more serious the police would have been called and i would be in the brown and nasty but this is only my experiance and i dont want it to happen again i know there has not been that many incidents compared with the ammount of .22 rounds that get fired but its only a matter of time and i dont want it to be me Depending on what type of land you have available a 30ft lb FAC air rifle and a .17hmr combo take some beating Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted May 2, 2008 Report Share Posted May 2, 2008 Yep, full metal jacket 7.62 is notorious for ricochets, as bad as a 22 rf. As you say, it really is surprising the angles that bullets ricochet at, I had always assumed that they would carry on in the same direction that they were fired, but you really have to watch tracer to believe it, it goes every angle possible. I have told this tale before, and when we go back I will try and video it, but we stood behind a 50 cal firing tracer, and after hitting the target at about 1000 yards the bullet went up and right at about 45 degrees you had to be there to beleive it . . I've seen this lots of times with 7.62 firing the GPMG in my army days. It is quite a shocker the first time you see the tracer rounds go through the target, into the (sand covered) bank behind the butts, before streaking up into the sky at all kinds of angles. One of the ranges we used was at Ballykinler in Northern Ireland, and there was nothing behind the butts exept sea (and a seal sanctuary ). It wasnt uncommon when doing range sentry in a tower behind the butts during a GMPG shoot to see rounds splashing down into the sea, following ricochets like those described above. Those were some hard-as-nails seals! The one thing this taught me is that solid projectiles have LOTS of energy to spare even after impact on a purpose built sand-trap. Scary things! ZB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted May 2, 2008 Report Share Posted May 2, 2008 Silenced .22lr is a fantastic choice, I thought so having seen what it could do and applied for it. I recently swapped it 1for1 and won't be getting one. I've seen, rather heard, far too many Rick'o'Shea's Silent, potent, actually very safe (if you hear a ricochet it's not hurting most folk) but I couldn't deal with the 25% chance of a "VRRRRFFFF" "click" in the distance. I've used ballistic tips almost exclusively with the HMR and never had one end up where I didn't want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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