Coaching with Carl Bloxham

[poontang]

Been there, done that. Waste of money in my opinion.

 

 

I started shooting a year ago, at my local skeet ground. Had lessons with a CPSA level one club coach. Really nice guy who helped me a lot. The club charged £35 an hour for his services, plus clays and cartridges.

A quick look at what Peter paid and it seems Carl Bloxham charges £25 an hour for his time. For a days tuition with a guy who's been there and done it, and continues to do so, i would say that's pretty good value for money!

You may think it's a waste of money 'will', and that's your opinion, to which we're all entitled, so fair do's.

However sir, for the way you posted, you are a *** of the highest order, and that's MY opinion.

[Cranfield]

So, everyone with a different opinion is a Troll ?

 

Some of you are taking paranoia to the extreme.

[russuk]

Opinions make the world go round chaps! Healthy debate etc etc.

 

Well, they don't, but let's relax and have a good day metal detecting.

[Chard]

Anyway you'll be unhappy to hear that thats the last post from me on this forum.

 

I'm not sure I can carry on

[Peter De La Mare]

Carl certainly didn't try to change my weird maintained lead/Churchill type of shooting method, he merely explained and 'muscle trained' me to do it better. When I turned up I couldn't hit 60 yard stuff for love nor money, or incomers. The last box of cartridges were just that and I must have hit 22 of them, a pumped left arm starting to restrict me a little. But after 650 cartridges and 6 hours of shooting it was no big deal.

 

At least I proved that I'm recoil proof. No poncy recoil reducers on my gun, just the stock and the standard hard plastic pad. I used 28 and 24 gram 7 1/2 Eleys and RC1s split roughly 50/50. My only ache was my left arm, I shoot from the right.

 

I'm definately not sunburn proof though, and I have the reverse Panda syndrome from my shades.

[Catamong]

So, everyone with a different opinion is a Troll ?

 

Some of you are taking paranoia to the extreme.

 

Cranners,

 

When you've been a member as long as I have, you can smell a troll from 50 paces.........i.e............no profile.....going for the jugular within the first few posts....it all gets a bit tiring after a while, I've seen so many Clay Shooting "Experts" come and go on this forum over the last 5 years, I'm surprised you've not figured that one out..??

 

I've checked this guy out, he's not even a CPSA member, how can he comment about coaching at top level..??

 

With regards to Blocko, I would never listen to a bad word said about that guy, he is one of the true "Sportsman" in the world of clay shooting, and he's forgotten more than most of us will ever know about shooting sporting clays.

 

I well remember a sporting shoot back in the mid 80's down Worcestershire way, I tied with Carl for High Gun, he didn't know me from Adam, yet he immediately offered to "split" the High Gun prize to avoid a shoot off, the mark of a true sportsman, which is more than you can say about some other "top shots" in this game.

 

As for W I L L, I'm glad you're gone matey, if ever you do come back, stick to selling guns and don't lecture us about what's good and bad in Clay Shooting.

 

Cat.

[Cranfield]

Cranners,

 

When you've been a member as long as I have, ...........

 

Cat.

 

Cat, check out my joining date.

 

Too may new posters are being called Trolls , just because someone interprets something unusual among their first posts.

New or wanabee shooters ask strange questions, we didn't always know everything ourselves (and those honest ones among us admit we still don't).

People can come on here and argue/debate/disagree from their first post, they don't have to limp in with their tails between their legs.

 

As to this specific poster not being a member of the CPSA, I didn't read anywhere that he claimed to be a member of the CPSA.

I go clay shooting , I have an opinion on the worth of shooting lessons, but I'm not a member of the CPSA, does that make me a Troll ?

I don't think so.

[paulos]

Chard... well done. Exceptional reply. I admire your forum lingo skills and imaginary knowledge of Carl Bloxham tuition. Anyway you'll be unhappy to hear that thats the last post from me on this forum. Laterz and happy shooting!

 

Shut the door on your way out :yp:

[MC]

So, everyone with a different opinion is a Troll ?

 

Some of you are taking paranoia to the extreme.

 

Cranners,

 

When you've been a member as long as I have, you can smell a troll from 50 paces.........i.e............no profile.....going for the jugular within the first few posts....it all gets a bit tiring after a while, I've seen so many Clay Shooting "Experts" come and go on this forum over the last 5 years, I'm surprised you've not figured that one out..??

 

I've checked this guy out, he's not even a CPSA member, how can he comment about coaching at top level..??

 

With regards to Blocko, I would never listen to a bad word said about that guy, he is one of the true "Sportsman" in the world of clay shooting, and he's forgotten more than most of us will ever know about shooting sporting clays.

 

I well remember a sporting shoot back in the mid 80's down Worcestershire way, I tied with Carl for High Gun, he didn't know me from Adam, yet he immediately offered to "split" the High Gun prize to avoid a shoot off, the mark of a true sportsman, which is more than you can say about some other "top shots" in this game.

As for W I L L, I'm glad you're gone matey, if ever you do come back, stick to selling guns and don't lecture us about what's good and bad in Clay Shooting. :yp:

 

Cat.

 

Or a sensible guy who thought going home with half the winnings was better than the possibility of going home with nothing, and getting a smack with the frying pan when he got in for being out all day.

[Dunkield]

Cranners,

When you've been a member as long as I have

D'oh!

[beretta]

totally agree with cat on his coments about carl bloxham. a nicer guy than 90% on the clay circuit. have known him for too many years and has always been generous and curtious to all who aproach him.

not all "TOP SHOTS" are greedy *******, but yes their are a few. im still owed a fifth of a gun from 8 years ago??? doubt ill ever see it.

[Harnser]

I had read peters post with great interest . Here was a man who had spent good money and time to improve his shooting . To then be told in a very short and rude bombastic way that it was all a load nonsence .

Very rude at the very least .Not exactly constructive discussion and i think will portrayed himself as a troll or at least a trouble maker , or as a bloody no all .In my opinion not the way to introduce your self onto a new forum . Harnser .

[bob300w]

I had read peters post with great interest . Here was a man who had spent good money and time to improve his shooting . To then be told in a very short and rude bombastic way that it was all a load nonsence .

Very rude at the very least .Not exactly constructive discussion and i think will portrayed himself as a troll or at least a trouble maker , or as a bloody no all .In my opinion not the way to introduce your self onto a new forum . Harnser .

How does so much common sense come from a Naarfuk boy? You sure that you weren't born in Essex?

[Chard]

I had read peters post with great interest . Here was a man who had spent good money and time to improve his shooting . To then be told in a very short and rude bombastic way that it was all a load nonsence .

Very rude at the very least .Not exactly constructive discussion and i think will portrayed himself as a troll or at least a trouble maker , or as a bloody no all .In my opinion not the way to introduce your self onto a new forum . Harnser .

 

I'm with you 100% on that one, Laaaaaaaaaaaaa :yp:

 

I agree that everybody has the right to be as bombastic as they like with their opening posts, but they're not going to be well received. He just assumes that his clay shooting knowledge is superior to anybody on here .

 

There's people on here who have shot for their county (or even country possibly) - not me, I hasten to add, but to come blustering on shouting the odds isn't exactly going to put you at the top of the Christmas card list

Edited May 15, 2008 by Chard

[beretta]

or even england team captains. :yp:

you no who you are

[Cranfield]

Oh look, the old lets get paranoid new poster on a forum syndrome. He may do us harm, insult us, rape and pillage etc with his digital torment. Best beware.

 

Anyway back to the real world. Sorry to be negative with the top class coaching, but i've known quite a few people go through Bloxham etc and to be honest I don't think its worth the money with regards to improving your technique past the age of 15. If you're loaded and you enjoy the day out then fair enough, but don't assume that by going to Bloxham etc that you'll start shooting like Bloxham etc. Its pretty hard to over-ride you're natural instinct and instinct and intuition is mostly what clay shooting should be about. There is no set way to shoot clays, every top shot has their own method and style and their style might not suit you... if you've been shooting for 15 years its pretty hard to change your style to suit that of Carl Bloxham and why should you? You could go for tuition with Digweed the next week and he'll teach you to shoot with a completely different method. Thats all just my opinion, but personally i'd rather watch and learn (go to CPSA shoots watch the Digweed video bla bla), get an automatic trap, shoot some clays and find your own style.

 

By the way this isn't some Youtube-like rant, i'm speaking from experience. I can shoot, although i've been clay shooting about twice in the last 4 years, due to an injury... but several years ago I thought i'd give the top class coaching a go, but it made me shoot worse. I've known at least 3 other people that have been for coaching with Carl Bloxham, bought new Carbon Fibre guns etc all to improve their shooting but to no avail. Like I said I think successful clay shooting comes down to your own intuition, finding your own style (that suits you) and lots of practice.

 

Anyway back to work. I only came on here to try and sell my gun!

 

I wouldn't call this post "very short, rude or bombastic", it doesn't even state that a lesson with Bloxham is a "load of nonsense".

It just states someone else's opinion, which he explains and qualifies quite clearly.

He even says "sorry" for being negative.

 

I also repeat that I believe everyone is entitled to an opinion, (whether they have shot for and/or captained their County/Country , or not) and they will be entitled to post their opinions on this Forum.

[Harnser]

I had read peters post with great interest . Here was a man who had spent good money and time to improve his shooting . To then be told in a very short and rude bombastic way that it was all a load nonsence .

Very rude at the very least .Not exactly constructive discussion and i think will portrayed himself as a troll or at least a trouble maker , or as a bloody no all .In my opinion not the way to introduce your self onto a new forum . Harnser .

How does so much common sense come from a Naarfuk boy? You sure that you weren't born in Essex?

 

No Bob ,i was born and bred in norfolk .But if my memory serves me correctly my Grandmother once had a picnic in colchester . Harnser .

[bob300w]

I had read peters post with great interest . Here was a man who had spent good money and time to improve his shooting . To then be told in a very short and rude bombastic way that it was all a load nonsence .

Very rude at the very least .Not exactly constructive discussion and i think will portrayed himself as a troll or at least a trouble maker , or as a bloody no all .In my opinion not the way to introduce your self onto a new forum . Harnser .

How does so much common sense come from a Naarfuk boy? You sure that you weren't born in Essex?

 

No Bob ,i was born and bred in norfolk .But if my memory serves me correctly my Grandmother once had a picnic in colchester . Harnser .

That will be it then, I knew there was a connection. I just hope that it's noted in the family tree?

[Chard]

I wouldn't call this post "very short, rude or bombastic", it doesn't even state that a lesson with Bloxham is a "load of nonsense".

It just states someone else's opinion, which he explains and qualifies quite clearly.

He even says "sorry" for being negative.

 

I also repeat that I believe everyone is entitled to an opinion, (whether they have shot for and/or captained their County/Country , or not) and they will be entitled to post their opinions on this Forum.

 

I think it was more the "Been there, done that, waste of money" earlier post that did it.

 

Peter having already stated that in this opinion, it was money well spent.

[Stu S]

Well I'm going to stick my neck out for Carl here too.

 

I spent a day at Sporting Targets near Risely a fwe months back, and despite it being one of the hardest days shooting I have ever had, it was probably the best thing I could have done.

 

We started off on the pattern plate, and ended up in the shop purchasing a new 3/4 choke, as the difference between 1/4 and 1/2 chokes with the cartridges I was using (Rio Star Team Pro) was so little, we both agreed that a tighter choke would help. Then out onto the range, where Carl noticed that I had a slight left eye dominance issue going on, which we addressed throughout the day.

 

At no time did he try and change my shooting style. He helped me to refine my existing style into something that would help me to improve my shooting. The eye dominance was an issue, but after getting some ideas of ways to combat it, namely closing my left eye on a right to left crosser, it has now become a thing of the past, and since then I have in essence 're-trained' my eyes to the point that I am back to shooting both eyes open all the time.

 

Yes it was expensive (in excess of £400)

Yes it was a bit of a trek to get there and home

Yes it was bloody hard work (500 cartridges - thank god some of them were 24g!)

Was it worth it? Absolutley!

 

Carl is a top bloke, who really knows what he is on about, and to top all that off, he is a brilliant teacher.

 

I would challenge anyone to try and change my opinion of him based on my experience.

 

Stu