adbirdy Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 You can show that you are against a ban on hunting by making your vote count on an ITN news poll. All you have to do is to text NO to 63338 and your vote will be registered. You will receive a text back confirming that you have taken part. DO IT NOW MAKE YOUR VOTE COUNT!!!! The poll will appear on tonight's (18th) news programme Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr Pieman Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 Sorry, explain how this token jesture will prevent the use of the Parliament Act? PP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adbirdy Posted November 18, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 It won't, but at least it might show the number of VOTING public against such a ban!! With a general election not too far away it might make someone think a little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PEREGRINE Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 sent Peregrine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 Done Didnt I hear something about the parliment act having NOT received the royal consent? webber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pigeonbasher Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 done it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimfire Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 Hi Guys, All my family have just done it. I hear what you are saying but every little helps, it's better than doing nothing. Regards Rimfire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ernyha Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 Didnt I hear something about the parliment act having NOT received the royal consent? webber It hasn't been presented to the Queen yet, that is the rubber stamp on any act. If she does give the royal consent though and knowing her love of hunting, it will be the biggest act of hypocrisy ever carried out by a reigning monarch. I have always favoured the monarchy but I am afraid if she signs this one it will just make a mockery of the whole system. :< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckbraider Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 Just sent off my reply, as said earlier, its unlikely we'll win but if its a close call it may open some eyes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teal Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 Queen's given approval it I believe. Not much she can do about it to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ernyha Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 Not much she can do about it to be honest. If she refuses to sanction a bill it means the government of the day has to take it back to the house or resign on a matter of principle. As the general election is due next year anyway, it is hardly going to cause a constitutional crisis if she follows her beliefs and refuses to sign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie Posted November 19, 2004 Report Share Posted November 19, 2004 Now that the ban has been passed is there anything that can be done to stop it from going through, I think the Queen has passed it so thats that option out the window. Although I don't go on hunts myself, I feel sorry for the people who do and I know shooting will be next. How does someone stand on a driven shoot if a fox is put out and they shoot it? Is it illegal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ernyha Posted November 19, 2004 Report Share Posted November 19, 2004 How does someone stand on a driven shoot if a fox is put out and they shoot it? Is it illegal? Shooting a fox is still perfectly legal and has nothing to do with the ban on hunting with dogs. On the other hand if it was alleged that you were using the dogs to flush out "hunt" the fox then it would be a money spinner for the lawyers to sort out. Just another bit of legislation that hasn't been thought through properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodger Posted November 19, 2004 Report Share Posted November 19, 2004 I apologise for this post starting a new thread. It was actually in reply to a poster that asked what happens now and whether he was ok to shoot a fox on a driven day. When I tried to post this reply the original post had vanished. My reply to whoever you are is as follows: Act 1949 will also be challenged. There is much legal opinion that it is in itself invalid. The challenge is this. In 1911 the Parliament Act was brought in because Lloyd George needed to raise taxes and was going to sqeeze the rich. The House of Lords said that they would vote it down and so Lloyd George threatened to create enough new peers to ensure he got his way.It was passed that if the Commons put the same bill to the Lords in three consecutive sessions then the Commons would have its way as the elected chamber. In 1949 this was amended to two sessions instead of three. This amendment was never passed by the Lords officially but was a sort of nodded through agreement.It has never been challenged before, but as all laws in this country have to pass through the Lords there is as I said earlier much legal opinion that says the Parliament Act 1949 which is what has been used tonight is not valid. Should the courts uphold this then all other acts passed using this device would also be invalid. If you are on a driven shoot and you shoot the fox then you are not breaking the law - in fact quite the reverse. The law only allows dogs to be used for flushing foxes if they are to be shot and then using no more than two dogs.If you have three or more dogs in the beating line you are not breaking the law BUT if they chase a fox or a hare then you are a criminal !!! The law will also require you to shoot any hare or fox that is flushed using dogs even if there are no more than two. So much for the "no ground game" rules on lots of shoots Eh? As for shooting being next - well here is a link to the Labour Animal Welfare Society site and an article entitled "Hunting down - shooting to go" and this after assurances from the government that shooting and fishing were safe. Circulate this as widely as possible and give your full support to the hunts because if they fall we are next. Link: http://www.labouranimalwelfaresociety.org/...nimal%20Aid.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jess Posted November 19, 2004 Report Share Posted November 19, 2004 To be honest, i dont think they really care what people think. They've done public votes on it before and the majority always votes against a ban, and yet apparently, by February hunting will be officially banned... I wonder what they'll go after next....? Hmmm.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimfire Posted November 19, 2004 Report Share Posted November 19, 2004 Hi Guys, I awoke this morning realising my disapointment in this country and its system of parliament. I was outraged last night when viewing the late evening news to see how quickly the Parliamnet Act had been invoked, with Royal approval. In my naivety I thought Her Majesty might make a last stand, but no. All my life I have been a loyal servant to this country, monarchy and elected government, governments that have been elected to carry ouy, for the most part, the will of the people. I am now sick of it all. I sympathise with the people who hunt with hounds and all the people who support them both physically and morally. The governments actions in this matter are apalling. It leaves no doubt in my mind that come the next election they have to go and we need to make sure that they know why they have been sent packing. If you have the vote in this country, then don't abstain at the next election make your vote count. Regards to all on a day of mourning Rimfire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browning Posted November 19, 2004 Report Share Posted November 19, 2004 The shooting of foxes, and hares, is still legal if flushing with dogs, as long as there are no more than two dogs in the beating line. If there are more than two dogs then technically it's illegal, as Ernyha says, one for the lawyers to make money on. What I can't understand is how they're going to police it........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rifleman56 Posted November 19, 2004 Report Share Posted November 19, 2004 done it, next they will be after fishing and shooting if they get away with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurcherboy Posted November 19, 2004 Report Share Posted November 19, 2004 Done it. So have my two sons, wife and my parents. PP, you are right, it wont, but it will annoy or vex some and thats enough for me. LB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARK 1 Posted November 19, 2004 Report Share Posted November 19, 2004 come on guy's text NO to 63338 TO OPPOSE THE BAN ON HUNTING. the result's will be shown on the itv new's send this message to as many people you know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deako Posted November 19, 2004 Report Share Posted November 19, 2004 hope you've sent it fella...before your mobile gets cut off and the bailiffs move in! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger Posted November 19, 2004 Report Share Posted November 19, 2004 it saddens me that apathy can be shown towards fellow country sportsmen.if people arent prepared to send a text message showing their support, then what hope do we have when shooting is next ? not looking for a row but "it wont make any difference so whats the point" is a feeble excuse. united we stand or face up to the fact we will all lose.stand up and be counted or hand your guns over now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_GINNER Posted November 20, 2004 Report Share Posted November 20, 2004 Hi all, Sad times indeed. I just hope the country replies with the pen in the election and the ******** get the boot. What a waste of parliaments time, this is going to be unpoliceable and will probably split the country into two sections even more so than it is now - townies and country people. I just hope the aggrieved country people dont take it out on innocent towns folk just because they dont hunt. i dont and never have hunted but i still strongly support the way of life of the people that do. Bloody politicians, whats the point? If they go against shooting in general, then i will be in the front of the crowd as this is one item i do enjoy. They wont be happy until the whole country is covered in tarmac and housing estates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrie0 Posted November 20, 2004 Report Share Posted November 20, 2004 They wont be happy until the whole country is covered in tarmac and housing estates. Very true , This country is on a downhill slide , it's turning into a nation of work all hours and don't question , do as we say and don't fight back zombies . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ernyha Posted November 20, 2004 Report Share Posted November 20, 2004 Very true , This country is on a downhill slide , it's turning into a nation of work all hours and don't question , do as we say and don't fight back zombies . :< Keep working until you reach 75 or die first and we won't need to pay you a pension either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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