bongodriver Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 Hi Folks, As the title suggests, I have decided that I am going to get a 10/22 at some point but want to know if I can 'pimp' the Magnum vesion as much as the LR, i.e. are the dimensions the same enough to drop a WMR one into any of the aftermarket stocks for the LR. I have read that the WMR is as noisy as HMR, is there no subsonic WMR ammo? also, I have heard 'unnoficially' that if my FAC states I am able to aquire .22 rifle and .22 exp ammunition ,with no other conditions, i.e. there is no 'rimfire', 'lr', 'wmr', it means I can legally aquire .22 of any form including centre fire. I will be putting the last question to my FEO when he visits soon for my variation, but I would like to know from the brains here first. My tendency at the moment is to just stick to a LR version, and if I want to shoot longer range I will use HV ammo (possibly I will have no choice) does the 10/22 really struggle to cycle subsonic? My Dad used to have an annie that cycled subsonic without a hiccup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweedledee Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 dads cousin has one and has accounted for hundreds of foxes with it.he would nt part it for the world. still effective he had 5 with it last week, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonno 357 Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 You may struggle to get a varied selection of ammo if any at all for this ageing round. I know gunshops that have stopped stocking this round now that the 17hmr taken over Jonno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweedledee Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 You may struggle to get a varied selection of ammo if any at all for this ageing round. I know gunshops that have stopped stocking this round now that the 17hmr taken over Jonno i can only speak for here in n ireland any time i`m in the gunshop 22 wmrs are in short supply, apparently a lot of hmr shooters have went back to wmr. ammo is readily available over here.due to wmr being the most populsr here years ago plenty of folk still use wmr.only recently cf has taken off due to fac laws relaxing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 If you know where there is one for sale snap it up, cause they are as rare as hens teeth. If you then don't like it I will take it off your hands !!! Charlie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 I concede I could be wrong here but my understanding is the 10/22 is a semi auto rifle - I'm unaware of a bolt action one. What I'm thinking here is that a WMR semi-auto would not be legal in the UK? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bongodriver Posted July 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 Well They must be legal in the UK, or I know of 2 RFD's in kent holding illegal firearms, looked at a remington and a marlin in .22 WMR semi-auto, I believe BRNO/CZ have one too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 I concede I could be wrong here but my understanding is the 10/22 is a semi auto rifle - I'm unaware of a bolt action one. What I'm thinking here is that a WMR semi-auto would not be legal in the UK? Pretty sure your .22 mag semi is legal! click semi auto on guntrader and you get a choice of hornet, 22lr, 22 mag, and .22 short all in semi for sale (could always be wrong though ). Well They must be legal in the UK, or I know of 2 RFD's in kent holding illegal firearms, looked at a remington and a marlin in .22 WMR semi-auto, I believe BRNO/CZ have one too. yeah think brno have like a model 611 in .22 WMR , very nice looking gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 It's still a rimfire (WMR) and therefore perfectly legal. As I said if you have the offer of one snap it up and I will buy it off you !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob300w Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 22rf semi auto is legal in the UK, including magnum. If you want a c/f 22, state it on your application, HQ's take a dim view of what you suggest, assuming that you could find a dealer to go along with it, which is unlikely. There is a reasonable amount of 22mag ammunition available, Remington do a 40gJHP, 40g PSP, and Premier accu-tip-V in 33g. Which, if you think about it, is a better selection than 22lr! Why would you want subsonic in 22 mag, any more than you would in 223? To be subsonic, it would be the same as a 22lr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 Why would you want subsonic in 22 mag, any more than you would in 223? To be subsonic, it would be the same as a 22lr. Bob, Its like wiping before you poop, it just don't make sense! Seriously though, I thought the same thing until I realized that you could have full loads and subsonics in the same gun over a wider range of performance than a 22LR. Yes, 22mag subs would be the same as a 22LR (essentially) but full house loads wouldn't be. The downside to the versatility is increased cost and decreased easily available selection. thanks, rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob300w Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 Why would you want subsonic in 22 mag, any more than you would in 223? To be subsonic, it would be the same as a 22lr. Bob, Its like wiping before you poop, it just don't make sense! Seriously though, I thought the same thing until I realized that you could have full loads and subsonics in the same gun over a wider range of performance than a 22LR. Yes, 22mag subs would be the same as a 22LR (essentially) but full house loads wouldn't be. The downside to the versatility is increased cost and decreased easily available selection. thanks, rick Yep, I see your point. But as far as I can see, nobody makes 22wmr s/s rounds, and you ain't going to load your own! I suppose that you could have a heavier bullet in 22wmr at s/s speeds, but the trajectory would be like a house-brick thrown by a nun. Not to mention the change in zero, It's self-defeating really, much as any s/s round in a c/f rifle would be, unless used for a specific purpose, and the gun used solely for that purpose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 I concede I could be wrong here but my understanding is the 10/22 is a semi auto rifle - I'm unaware of a bolt action one. What I'm thinking here is that a WMR semi-auto would not be legal in the UK? Well booga me - I ner knew that. Can't say I think I'm missing out on anything though, I have FAC air for certain situations, .22LR for t'others and my HMR for bulk work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bongodriver Posted August 1, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2008 Thanks for the repiles chaps, Looks like I might be sticking to the lr version for now, just waiting for progress on my application for a variation, I may in the future do a 1 for 1 and go for the Mag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bongodriver Posted August 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2008 22rf semi auto is legal in the UK, including magnum.If you want a c/f 22, state it on your application, HQ's take a dim view of what you suggest, assuming that you could find a dealer to go along with it, which is unlikely. There is a reasonable amount of 22mag ammunition available, Remington do a 40gJHP, 40g PSP, and Premier accu-tip-V in 33g. Which, if you think about it, is a better selection than 22lr! Why would you want subsonic in 22 mag, any more than you would in 223? To be subsonic, it would be the same as a 22lr. Thanks bob, that is very usefull info and will save me asking the stupid question to the FEO, and I did realise the concept of sub sonic WMR is a bit pointless. Pretty sure your .22 mag semi is legal! click semi auto on guntrader and you get a choice of hornet, 22lr, 22 mag, and .22 short all in semi for sale (could always be wrong though Home office guidance it states only semi autos chambered for .22 rimfire so hornet is not an option (don't think a semi auto in .22 hornet even exists) noticed the gun for sale in guntrader listed as a .22 hornet was a Walther G22 so is actually a .22lr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 22rf semi auto is legal in the UK, including magnum.If you want a c/f 22, state it on your application, HQ's take a dim view of what you suggest, assuming that you could find a dealer to go along with it, which is unlikely. There is a reasonable amount of 22mag ammunition available, Remington do a 40gJHP, 40g PSP, and Premier accu-tip-V in 33g. Which, if you think about it, is a better selection than 22lr! Why would you want subsonic in 22 mag, any more than you would in 223? To be subsonic, it would be the same as a 22lr. Thanks bob, that is very usefull info and will save me asking the stupid question to the FEO, and I did realise the concept of sub sonic WMR is a bit pointless. Pretty sure your .22 mag semi is legal! click semi auto on guntrader and you get a choice of hornet, 22lr, 22 mag, and .22 short all in semi for sale (could always be wrong though Home office guidance it states only semi autos chambered for .22 rimfire so hornet is not an option (don't think a semi auto in .22 hornet even exists) noticed the gun for sale in guntrader listed as a .22 hornet was a Walther G22 so is actually a .22lr. Oh yeah! Hornet is a centrefire so u can't get in in semi auto! ruddy guntrader Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 22rf semi auto is legal in the UK, including magnum.If you want a c/f 22, state it on your application, HQ's take a dim view of what you suggest, assuming that you could find a dealer to go along with it, which is unlikely. There is a reasonable amount of 22mag ammunition available, Remington do a 40gJHP, 40g PSP, and Premier accu-tip-V in 33g. Which, if you think about it, is a better selection than 22lr! Why would you want subsonic in 22 mag, any more than you would in 223? To be subsonic, it would be the same as a 22lr. Thanks bob, that is very usefull info and will save me asking the stupid question to the FEO, and I did realise the concept of sub sonic WMR is a bit pointless. Pretty sure your .22 mag semi is legal! click semi auto on guntrader and you get a choice of hornet, 22lr, 22 mag, and .22 short all in semi for sale (could always be wrong though Home office guidance it states only semi autos chambered for .22 rimfire so hornet is not an option (don't think a semi auto in .22 hornet even exists) noticed the gun for sale in guntrader listed as a .22 hornet was a Walther G22 so is actually a .22lr. Oh yeah! Hornet is a centrefire so u can't get in in semi auto! ruddy guntrader Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 If it's a Ruger semi.......NO!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 Why would you want subsonic in 22 mag, any more than you would in 223? To be subsonic, it would be the same as a 22lr. Bob, Its like wiping before you poop, it just don't make sense! Seriously though, I thought the same thing until I realized that you could have full loads and subsonics in the same gun over a wider range of performance than a 22LR. Yes, 22mag subs would be the same as a 22LR (essentially) but full house loads wouldn't be. The downside to the versatility is increased cost and decreased easily available selection. thanks, rick Yep, I see your point. But as far as I can see, nobody makes 22wmr s/s rounds, and you ain't going to load your own! I suppose that you could have a heavier bullet in 22wmr at s/s speeds, but the trajectory would be like a house-brick thrown by a nun. Not to mention the change in zero, It's self-defeating really, much as any s/s round in a c/f rifle would be, unless used for a specific purpose, and the gun used solely for that purpose. HI Bob, It would be just like having a 22LR that you use subs and hi-vel rounds for except the gap would be a little bigger between them. The trajectory of a 22WMR sub would be exactly the same as a 22LR sub and with a moderator I'd expect them to sound the same. The advantage is that when you want the full power rounds you have a legitimate rimfire fox gun. Of course it is a moot point if no one makes a subsonic WMR. And, before I'd advocate someone owning a 22 mag for that situation I'd suggest a 22LR and either an HMR or 223/22/hornet depending on purpose. Thanks, Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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