huey Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 Need some advice on my new 22. Every time I take my gun out the gun jam's a spent or live cartridge in the breech, I say jam rather the extraction claws fail to remove the round. This tends to happen at least every season of 10/20 rounds. Do I have reason to be worried or considering a return to the place of purchase or will the gun settle with use? Any advice welcome... Huey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boc121 Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 Try using a different brand, i have a 452 and it does'nt like cci subs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codling99 Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 my cz dont like winchesters,stick every time,cci subs work fine,its the waxy coating ,fookinawfull stuff,could cleanevery round ,tried that at first but give in and bought cci ,never jams now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huey Posted September 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 Funny enough I use Winchester subs apart form the jamming I am pretty impressed with the job they do on rabbits. Shot a couple earlier tonight both in the head, what a wack and what a hole in the back of the nut! What are the cci subs like on the vermine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radio1ham Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 ive used all kinds of bullets in my cz452 and never had that problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabbithunter Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 huey when you push the bolt forward is it stiff ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver_fox Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 CZ452 Style, Eley Subs, 2000 rnds, no problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huey Posted September 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 The rifles new but the bolt doesnt feel unduly stiff. However it is my first gun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codling99 Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 cci subs are brill mate,accurate,and will do the same damage as winchesters,and they come in a nice plastic box ,never had no problem with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Elvis Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 I have the same gun, used eleys, remingtons,cci's incheters etc never had a jam. One thing i find that if you dont pull the bolt back with a positive action it doesnt eject the spent case, the bolt was difficult on mine but i used a light gun oil on it and its brilliant, now its had 4-500 rounds through it its smooth!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killer Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 (edited) The only ammo problem I have with my CZ was using Lapua which didn't wont to extract,but this just might of been a cleaning related problem.. Edited September 30, 2008 by Killer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 Killer, I get exactly this problem with Lapua. It's do do with the shape of the rim. Winchester and Eley cases (seem to) have a more pronounced rim, giving the extractor a better purchase. It's a shame, as Lapua give almost flawless groups in my CZ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinytim38 Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 I get a similar problem with winchesters with my 452 it only occours when the is a build up of gunk in the breech which is larger diameter than the bore so the cleaning rod and brush will not clean this area, since I switched to a bore snake for cleaning I have had no problems, keep using winchester ammo, I have tried them all and along with eley subs they are consistently good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drut Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 I had similar problems but only with a particular batch of Winchester subs(others posting on another forum had too). Switching to a different batch cured problem but a thread http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showt...ling+to+extract on RimfireCentral led me to slightly alter the extractor claw & no problems with extracting anything since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scout Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 Hi Got a cz 452 American in 22 and it love Winnies, had a bit of a problem with cci, but I haven't looked back since. However I do notice a a build of wax in the breech sometimes and clean this out, then no probs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 I dare bet Drut's link in his post is the problem. The CZ extractors are mass produced, they are stamped/pressed out, & sometimes the angles are not the best, hence stuck cases. The extractors just slip off the spent case leaving it in the breach. This has happened to mine on numerous occasions, easily fixed with a bit filing. BJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 I have put 1,000's of winchesters through my 452 and have only ever had one or two live, not fired, rounds fail to extract. As the others have said, try cleaning the extractors and the first 20mm or so of the barrel, that fixes it for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huey Posted September 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 I have tried cleaning the barrel and extractors with an oiled baby bud, which didn't seem to make a difference as on my next outing the rifle failed to extract a live round at the end of my nights hunting. I have also noticed a thin groove a fraction of a millimeter thick on the spent cartriges running tip to toe, could this be more than debris?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 That sounds like something in there which <may> stop an unfired round being pulled back Have you got a bronze brush you can just clean that section with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 try taking a dry, clean cotton bud and wiping the inside of the chamber. You're looking for two things. One, is there a piece of metal that pulls on the cotton bud? Could be a thin piece of metal shaving that is just catching the brass. If it is there, the cotton bud should catch on it and snag. Two, is there a lot of unburnt powder accumulating in the chamber? A dry cotton bud would come out fairly black if there is. Thanks, Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huey Posted September 23, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 I'll give the barrel a good run through with the bronze bruch and cotton brush and see if things improve. Cheers huey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codling99 Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 i tried cleaning mine,didnt work,winchesters just seem to not like my barrel,try cci s mate ,you wont be dissapointed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonna Shoot a Wabbit Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 had the same problem with winchesters in my cz changed to eley subs and 8000 rounds later have never had the problem return rgds GSAW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 I have a similar issue with my Bolt Action using Winchester Subs... After a good few rounds, it starts having trouble extracting the empty case. A couple of simple pulls through with the snake and its fine again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huey Posted September 24, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 I will try the cleaning first as I bought a brick of 500 winnys a few weeks ago and that is a lot of rabbits! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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