Extrema/extrema 2

[henry d]

As it says on the tin ?

 

I can`t find anything on the net, but hey thats just me

 

Anyway is there anything or is it just a few cosmetic bits and bobs ??

 

Many thanks for any relevant answers

[mudpatten]

I think its been done on here fairly recently, but, to paraphrase it;

 

Xtrema 1, long, bulky,heavy,ponderous handling,truly awful trigger,rusts,out of production and can`t get major spares. Don`t buy one.

 

Xtrema 2. All of the above no longer apply since the gun has been completely redesigned. Buy one.

 

So comprehensive was the redesign and so different are the two models,apart from superficial external appearance, that almost none of the parts are interchangeable.

 

To conclude, Xt1- bad. Xt2 - good.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Nick.

[dunganick]

Is it really that big a difference?!?

 

Having shot both (or so i was lead to believe) i really didnt see that massive a difference, certainly i didnt find either guns to have bad triggers at all?

 

Im confused now

[anschutz.17hmr]

nothing wrong with my extrema 1 and its had thousands through it over last three years

[mudpatten]

Sorry gents, did`nt intend to cause offence to Xt1 owners but one has to ask why, if the MK1 was so good, Beretta completely redesigned it after the shortest production run of any Beretta gun.

 

The Mk1 trigger has about a quarter of an inch of creep and breaks at about 9 lbs. The Mk2 lock functions like most other Beretta autos in the 300 series with very little creep and has a sensible break weight. I can`t understand why the Mk1 trigger was so bad but it has been suggested that it was connected to the extremely litigious U.S. market,or alternatively,was something to do with the imagined recoil from 3.5" cartridges.

 

If you doubt me, test them with a trigger pull guage and see for yourself.

 

Of all the people I know who bought the XT1,myself included,not a single one has kept it. They all now shoot Xt2`s or Benelli SBE2`s.

 

I`ve never critiscised the Xt1`s functioning. They are well put together and reliable, its just that they handle like a fence post. If you can actually shoot with it, not withstanding the other issues, it will serve you well.

 

Would I have one? No thanks.

 

Nick.

[codling99]

wel i own and shoot a ex2,my shooting partner shoots a ex1,and apart from slightly different rubber grips,kick off system,front sight/bead they are almost identical to look at,and to be honest shoot the same,and feel the same,my mate as had no problems at all with his ex1 at all,ive had at least 10 misfires with my ex2 with hb pigeon 32 6.5s allready in first few months.

[alexm]

ive had at least 10 misfires with my ex2 with hb pigeon 32 6.5s allready in first few months.

 

Is it a new gun? And do you mean misfeeds as opposed to misfires? The reason I ask is that it's quite common for them to misfeed when they are new, typically the case will come half out, or it will come out but the action won't open enough to feed the next cartridge. My Xtrema 2 did this a few times when it was new and I was warned about it in advance by the shop that sold it to me. They need time to loosen up. Several hundred shots later and it cycles every load I put through it from light clay loads up to 50 gram goose loads. There are few semis that can do that reliably.

 

I just got back today from a PSG safety course and I think mine was the only semi that didn't suffer a single jam or misfeed over the two days (some 300 odd shots in muddy, wet conditions).

 

The other thing is that I don't feel like I have shot 300 hundred cartridges either... and that is probably due, partially at least, to the Kick-off recoil reducer which is only available on the Xtrema 2. Some of the guys were suffering, especially taking shots from prone positions but not me! :look:

[anschutz.17hmr]

the recoil on the extrema 1 is very low,i,ve tried a extrema 2 and thought the recoil felt the same,and they both shot the same so no point in me spending pointless money on a trade in

[codling99]

Is it a new gun? And do you mean misfeeds as opposed to misfires? The reason I ask is that it's quite common for them to misfeed when they are new, typically the case will come half out, or it will come out but the action won't open enough to feed the next cartridge. My Xtrema 2 did this a few times when it was new and I was warned about it in advance by the shop that sold it to me. They need time to loosen up. Several hundred shots later and it cycles every load I put through it from light clay loads up to 50 gram goose loads. There are few semis that can do that reliably.

 

I just got back today from a PSG safety course and I think mine was the only semi that didn't suffer a single jam or misfeed over the two days (some 300 odd shots in muddy, wet conditions).

 

The other thing is that I don't feel like I have shot 300 hundred cartridges either... and that is probably due, partially at least, to the Kick-off recoil reducer which is only available on the Xtrema 2. Some of the guys were suffering, especially taking shots from prone positions but not me! :look:

 

 

misfires mate,jump up ok,but pull trigger and it just goes click,not enough power to shoot cart off,was told it ll wear in after a while,not enough power in cart to set firing pin ,well ive shot about 600 or more carts ,mostly 32 6,s and it missfires every now and then,aint really tried many diff carts through it only 6 s.hopefully it ll break in in time .but point is extreema 1 are a good gun imho,another mate of mine owns one,and he hasnt had any probs or issues with is either.

[MC]

Well I know this has been kicked to death before, noticably between myself and mudpatten.

 

I have an Extrema 1 which has never missed a beat. It has spent overnight at the bottom of a creek and had two tides through it. I find it fast handling and superb to shoot. It's handling is very similar to my F3 which is why I can now shoot with it well as opposed to a few years ago when I had a different O/U and it was completely different.

 

I have shot an Extrema 2 and there is minimal difference in the handling or recoil and I am very susceptable to recoil.

 

The trigger has no creep at all and breaks cleanly.I have no idea of the trigger weight but it certainly isn't to heavy.

 

The only issue I agree with mudpatten with is the rusting, where the barrel has the name and logo etc stamped on it rusts very quickly and the blueing on it isn't that great. Seeing as though it is a dedicated wildfowling gun this can be a problem. The lettering will normally have surface rust on it by the time I get home but is nothing that a good squirt of WD40 and a good clean won't sort out.

 

All that said you pay your money and take your choice.

[henry d]

Many thanks for the relevant replies Chaps !

 

[malkiserow]

Many thanks for the relevant replies Chaps !

 

 

What will you do Henry ?

[henry d]

Well Malky, I`m gonna get an extrema, and sell my Remi 11-87, that`s what I`m gonna do...........and sell all my 10 bore shells

[chrispti]

Never had to run my x2 in, although I did give it a good clean before I first used it, just to remove all of the manufactures thick grease. As for recoil, both the x1 and x2 may initially feel the same, but I bet you will feel the differance between them at the end of a days shooting!

 

As stated previously, the xtrema 1 was re designed from the ground up and is out of production, that in its self is enough to make my mind up which to choose. Hence I have an xtrema 2

Edited October 28, 2008 by chrispti

[GJUK]

Off topic question slightly.

 

You can't own this kind of gun on a SGC can you - due to it being able to hold more than 2 shells?

 

Thanks.

[MC]

Yes you can,

 

The law is a gun having a non detachable magazine not capable of holding more than 2 cartridges. So 2 in the mag and 1 up the pipe makes it a 3 shot.

[alexm]

Off topic question slightly.

 

You can't own this kind of gun on a SGC can you - due to it being able to hold more than 2 shells?

 

Thanks.

 

You can hold one on a SGC (section 2) but the magazine tube has to be restricted to two shots (usually by a crimp). This gives you three in total, one in the chamber, two in the magazine as MC said.

 

Interestingly in the case of the Xtrema, because it is chambered for 3.5" shells, the crimp is actually further up the tube than normal so that 2 x 3.5" shells will fit. This means you could (theoretically ) fit more than two cartridges into the restricted magazine if you used 2.5" ones... but that would be naughty and should not be encouraged!

Edited October 28, 2008 by alexm

[neil smith]

One of the reasons for the redesign was to allow for a magazine extension to be used the Extrema 1 has the gas gear housed inside the magazine tube & so could not be extended the Extrema 2 can take a mag extension which in free countries are allowed & usefull.

 

N

[MC]

If you are right Neil and I have no reason to doubt you then I do not have a extrema 1. The only thing in the mag tube is a dirty great spring and plunger .

 

The gas gear is in a housing of the barrel where all the semi autos I have seen have it.

[Tam]

Not meaning to hi jack the post - anyone fitted a sling to either

[alexm]

Not meaning to hi jack the post - anyone fitted a sling to either

 

Yes. My Xtrema2 came with swivels as standard. The front swivel fits behind the forend cap and the rear one clips into a preformed hole in the stock.

[Tam]

Cheers just had another look - the sling that i bought came fitted with OD swivels need to get another or swap it

[neil smith]

If you are right Neil and I have no reason to doubt you then I do not have a extrema 1. The only thing in the mag tube is a dirty great spring and plunger .

 

The gas gear is in a housing of the barrel where all the semi autos I have seen have it.

 

MC

 

Beretta introduced the A391 Xtrema in 2002 & the way in which the gas system & barrel is held on is similar to other early Beretta's & prevents you from adding a magazine extension, this is why Beretta's have never been used for practical shotgun competition until now, the Xtrema 2 has the gas piston & associated parts mounted outside of the magazine tube allowing for the addition of the mag extension.

 

I believe the 2003 IPSC European Shotgun Championships in Italy that I attended & which were sponsored by Beretta had some influence on the decision to alter the Xtrema because although the match was sponsered by Beretta nobody used one at the match because they simply had no capacity & the Beretta owned Benelli's represented the Italian team instead, a member of the Beretta family was there throughout the week & talk at the match was of making a viable high capacity Beretta for the market !

 

 

N

Edited October 29, 2008 by neil smith

[MC]

I have had mine since about september 2005 and the gas piston etc is on the outside of the magazine tube. Mine does not have the kick off recoil system in the stock though.

 

It doesn't really matter to me if it is a mk1 mk2 or mk6 it works and does the job I need to do well.

[neil smith]

MC

 

Im no expert when it comes to Beretta's as I have never owned one, but I have seen & used many models I believe the way in which the forend nut attaches will help you identify if you can extend the tube, if the threads that hold it on are cut into the outside of the mag tube & the tube is the full diameter of a shotgun shell then it will take an extension, if however the thread is a smaller or "spike" style mounting method with a smaller diameter than the outside if the tube & you cannot see down the mag tube then it will not.

 

I have no doubt the 391 is a good gun & many are in use, it just depends on what you wish to do with it, I like the Beretta Xtrema 2 but I like the inertia driven Benelli's better personally, they are easier to clean & a bit lighter.

 

N

Edited October 29, 2008 by neil smith