webber Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 http://sacsforum.com/index.php?showtopic=473&st=40 Any PW or SACS members who wish to learn of the latest developments in the current SACS hierarchy dust up may be interested to learn that foxguntom has made a post of note. Its not clear why he chose to end the topic 24 hours early, but thats Toms perogative. Click onto the link, and read foxguntoms final post on the now closed thread. http://sacsforum.com/index.php?showtopic=473&st=40 webber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snozzer Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 sad... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 Pay peanuts, get monkeys. Hilariously amateur monkeys at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlander Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 Amateur hour reigns! Would you buy a used car from these people? and some on here want them to represent our sport Lets get real...join BASC and give shooting sports the best chance of survival and stop watering down the opportunity by giving airtime to these (second rate) splinter groups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 at least it gives something for the BASC fans to keep on posting about and revelling in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 Wow, what can we say? Tom is obviously very upset and so are many of the members who have posted on that thread. I am rather surprised given all the flack on that forum and others that a SACS official or some of the more vociferous SACS NI (for example) members has not put forward any form of official response – why is this, anyone got any ideas? When did the SACS NI guys go – was this recently or is this old news? What will be the next step for SACS? Will they call an SGM or is their AGM near? Any SACS members care to let us know? Do SACS give their members a full set of accounts each year- and are there independently audited – just interested because they must have saved a few bob this year as they have only sent out two and not 4 magazines- so there is at least 25 - 30,000 saved postal stamps let alone the paper and printing costs. What is the future for SACS? I must say that it looks pretty dim that apparently so many members are asking Ian for answers and all they get back is a resounding silence. Not being funny but this is not way for a membership organization to behave is it? Lets hope we hear something from SACS soon, otherwise what are the members to think? David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 Pay peanuts, get monkeys. Hilariously amateur monkeys at that. That made me chuckle alright Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 Perhaps the B.A.S.C. knockers will stop knocking and join a reputable shooting organisation . Hooray . Harnser . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willow32 Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 Lets face the facts its money...........SACS £20 NGO £30 BASC £60 Contryside Allaince £ note sure , the fact if anything happens to SACS , I will go to the NGO because that is cheaper..........the facts are people dont have the money and if things get to tight you will have people out there uninsured which is no good to anybody...........surely an organisation like BASC can work that out. Its about time people realise that sports are for everybody and everybody should have a voice money or not regards Willow32 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 Maybe this is the beginning of a re-ordering of shooting / countryside organizations in the UK? There do seem to be quite a few ‘splinter’ organizations that have come into being over the past 15 years or so. I think there is room for ‘specialist’ organizations such as the target disciplines, muzzle loaders, and professionals within the sport such as gamekeepers full time stalkers and the gun trade. Also generalist organization for all country sports such as the CA- this is their remit although they have got a bit diluted with other rural issues lately and seem, to my eyes, to have lost the total focus on hunting, shooting & fishing – which is why I left them. And there is a need for a dedicated fishing organization - and it now look like at long last we have one. And of course a dedicated shooting organization. We need proper country representation through our representative organizations as we now really do have 4 home countries with different laws, and demands / needs of their respective memberships. We need to accept that there will be differences of opinion within hunting, shooting and fishing, and sometimes only time will tell who was right and who was wrong, but have the courage and determination to support the sport and support the organization that make these decisions, even if we do not always agree on every point. To draw an analogy, how many of us change political affiliation? Not many and not often – but do you always agree 100% with what your chosen political party does & says – no I bet not. What about football teams – again we may well not always agree with the decisions of the management etc but do we change our support? No we stick with our team through thick and thin. So has there in reality has there ever really been a need for all these other organizations- many of which have sprung up because a small group disagreed with how things were being done and thought they could do better than the existing organizations…. I have said it before, it is easy to set these splinter groups up- generate a membership of 10-20,000 within 10 years almost without trying due to the enthusiasm of the membership and a few key volunteers, but we see what happens when there organizations are really tested… the wheels seems to fall off. Is this what hunting, shooting & fishing need? No I don’t think so, the sports and the people who take part need strong, focused and well resourced organizations – weak and under resourced organizations achieve nothing – some may argue less than nothing as they take away the resources for those that can make a difference. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirusman Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 Perhaps the B.A.S.C. knockers will stop knocking and join a reputable shooting organisation . Hooray . Harnser . Dont hold your breath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 the one reservation about having one organisation representing shooting would be they could charge whatever they want for membership as there would be no competition, already they charge a sizeable lump and I can't see this changing even if another 100,000 people joined up despite the only thing people get for their money other than representation is a tenners worth of public liability insurance. Willow your other option is to just shoot and buy your insurance on its own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirusman Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 Perhaps the B.A.S.C. knockers will stop knocking and join a reputable shooting organisation . Hooray . Harnser . Lets face the facts its money...........SACS £20 NGO £30 BASC £60 Contryside Allaince £ note sure , the fact if anything happens to SACS , I will go to the NGO because that is cheaper..........the facts are people dont have the money and if things get to tight you will have people out there uninsured which is no good to anybody...........surely an organisation like BASC can work that out. Its about time people realise that sports are for everybody and everybody should have a voice money or not regards Willow32 I am with you mate 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 If all you want is insurance then why bother paying out to join an association? Almost anyone with home insurance will have public liability insurance in place- check it out! Also, I think I am right in saying that both SACS and NGO insurance is with NFU Mutual – if the SACS policy is the same as the NGO policy, then it will NOT pay out if you have nay other public liability policy in place! (see the NGO summer mag for confirmation!) So why are you spending £30? Other have said many times on this forum – look at what the association does for you and for shooting – that is what you are paying for NOT insurance! This maybe why so many members on what was the SACS forum are so unhappy, but does not explain why there is nothing coming out of SACS HQ to calm the storm. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 Perhaps the B.A.S.C. knockers will stop knocking and join a reputable shooting organisation . Hooray . Harnser . Dont hold your breath Am I the only one who sees the inadvertant humour in this reply? ZB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 Some "derailing" posts have been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 I'm disappointed becassier/nimrod the voice of SACS NI hasn't put in an appearance. The word on the street is he resigned? What about all the great things SACS where going to do for the sportsmen of NI? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 I'm disappointed becassier/nimrod the voice of SACS NI hasn't put in an appearance. The word on the street is he resigned? What about all the great things SACS where going to do for the sportsmen of NI? I'm not disappointed, the suntan his sense of self-satisfaction gave me last time now still hasnt completely faded. ZB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 Have any SACS members PM's Ian to ask him to comment? I heard that some of their guys in NI had left too- but this could just be bull- lets not speculate, lets get Ian to tell us what is going on. After all, he was keen enough a couple of months ago to pass comment on how great SACS was..... David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirusman Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 Yes i have emailed Ian Clarke more that once on this matter and i hasten to add received replies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 Are the contents / gist of those replies a secret? Will Ian be popping in here to have a chat with either us and or the SACS membership who are awaiting a formal update? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 Are the contents / gist of those replies a secret? Will Ian be popping in here to have a chat with either us and or the SACS membership who are awaiting a formal update? maybe just maybe he doesn't surf the internet at work while being paid by his members :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirusman Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 Yes the replies were in confidence and will stay that way,as for if Ian is coming on here to offer any reply you must ask him about that not me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 Maybe so - maybe Ian does not think this forum is very important, although on the old SACS forum he and others were very happy to post when certain SACS member were giving BASC and BASC members a hard time on this forum. Never the less, regardless of Ian’s work commitment – which must be overwhelming as he has only managed to produce 2 SACS mags this year not the 4 that the members have paid for ( :( I wonder if they will get a refund…or an explanation of what the cash saving has been spent on…) I am sure he could ask others to post for him, or to defend their / his corner- they have done so vehemently in the past so why not now? Silence in this case, is not Golden! David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirusman Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 Maybe so - maybe Ian does not think this forum is very important, although on the old SACS forum he and others were very happy to post when certain SACS member were giving BASC and BASC members a hard time on this forum. Never the less, regardless of Ian’s work commitment – which must be overwhelming as he has only managed to produce 2 SACS mags this year not the 4 that the members have paid for ( I wonder if they will get a refund…or an explanation of what the cash saving has been spent on…) I am sure he could ask others to post for him, or to defend their / his corner- they have done so vehemently in the past so why not now? Silence in this case, is not Golden! David Maybe need to cut costs to build a new communications center :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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