colt_phil Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 Hi All, Just been asked to shoot on a field that is getting battered by pigeons, only trouble is the field is about 350 - 400 yards across, then it is a public road. What is the max distance 12g 32g No6 cartridges will travel until they hit the deck? Or what are the rules on this kinda thing? Any help appreciated. Rgds Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codling99 Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 they reckon to allow about 300 yds to be safe,but heavier shot will travel further if wind behind it too,just use a bit of common mate ,should be fine.law says 50 feet from centre of any highway,but should be shooting away from it not towards it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colt_phil Posted January 31, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 We should be fine then, Many thanks, was just a little nervous about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayman Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 (edited) In order to have a report that would stand up in court if needs be, the CPSA and other shooting organisations had a University conduct formal tests on the Shrivenall ranges, and produce a definitive report. The exercise cost the associations in excess of £10k. They tested fibre and plastic wads ( no appreciable difference) Choke variations ( no difference) Loading wts, ie 24g / 28g 32g ( no difference) Gun gauges ( no difference ) Where there was big differences was with shot sizes and windage. 8s and 9s landed sub 200m 7s just over 6s out to about 240m Wind could carry shot up to another 40m out or sideways. The conclusion was the recommended CPSA safety zone of 275m ( 300yds) was supported for ranges allowing all shot sizes 6 and up. If a range restricted to 8s and 9s only, a dispensation could be allowed for a 250m safety zone. Shot sizes lower than 6 where not tested, but extrapolation would suggest as the shot gets heavier the fallout increases further. Where shot falls out, of course, it has lost its forward energy and really just rains in harmlessly. Pretty well all inertial energy would be lost at 70-100m on usual shot sizes, but very large shot sizes might still be dangerous beyond that, ie 3-5s. Edited January 31, 2009 by clayman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6shot Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 (edited) how far does shoot travel 7 miles from my gunshop Edited February 1, 2009 by 6shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 300 yards or so, on a 45 degree angle. The BASC did a detailed analysis about this, you should read it on their website Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayman Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 The optimum angle for maximum travel is between 22 and 24 degrees. At 45 degrees shot stalls in the trajectory and falls shorter than the lower angle that optimises distance. The Eley reports, The Shivnall reports and the RSI reports all give the same optimum angles. 300 yds ( or 275m) is the widely accepted safety distance that should be used, its not the average actual fallout which is appreciably shorter. The extra distance allows for mechanical faults like balling when the lead fuses to form larger clumps, operator error when an abnormal heavy load is fired nin error, and windage that can carry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted February 2, 2009 Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 The other thing is that shot falls out of the sky like hailstones and is quite harmless. I have had it fall on me many times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayman Posted February 2, 2009 Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 We shooters all know its pretty harmless, assuming you are not lying on your back, eyes and mouth open!! Problem is the public get rained on by shot while doggy walking will immediately ring the Police saying "I've been shot! "- , and next thing you know is ARU aiming their Heckler and Koch's at you calling out "drop your weapons and lie down", and the helichopper buzzing you from overhead. If we are to keep public respect, its best to be sure we are not falling out our shot on them, harmless in our view, or not. 250 - 275m in all directions of fire plus 10 degrees for wind drift on the angles is the zone you should control. Control means you own or have the shooting rights on, or written permission to fallout on and the ability to exclude others from the area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GJUK Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 Has anyone ever been shot with 'fall out'? If so, whats it like. Hail? I too, being a newbie am also still quite worried about shooting, even in an empty hoooge field. J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Has anyone ever been shot with 'fall out'? If so, whats it like. Hail? I too, being a newbie :blink: am also still quite worried about shooting, even in an empty hoooge field. J It's like hailstone up to a size 6. A lad who works on a clay ground on here says anything below that and it starts to hurt. Regardless if it feels like hail, any member of the public can easily scream they've been shot to the police, so do take extra care and always unload and put down your gun and never shoot when a member of the public is within about 250 yards of you. (Not a personal jab GJUK, I just thought I'd mention it here so everyone would be able to read it and remember it) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayman Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Go to a game ground like E J Churchill where they shoot plenty of high stuff and you will inevitably be rained on somewhere on the course. Clay shot 7-8-9 drops like light hail, no big deal. But as noted, once things get heavier than 6 they will start to be noticeable, and if they are not just falling out but have inertia, you will feel them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enemyofthecrow Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 We shooters all know its pretty harmless, assuming you are not lying on your back, eyes and mouth open!! Problem is the public get rained on by shot while doggy walking will immediately ring the Police saying "I've been shot! "- , and next thing you know is ARU aiming their Heckler and Koch's at you calling out "drop your weapons and lie down", and the helichopper buzzing you from overhead. If we are to keep public respect, its best to be sure we are not falling out our shot on them, harmless in our view, or not. 250 - 275m in all directions of fire plus 10 degrees for wind drift on the angles is the zone you should control. Control means you own or have the shooting rights on, or written permission to fallout on and the ability to exclude others from the area. was just ambling through the site and couldnt help but spitting my tea out with laughter dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 Trouble is its not funny. Police procedures now state that any gun related incident that is reported to them has to be dealt with by an ARU so it really does happen. There is a story which is apparantly true of a builder who was dry lining a new house using a nail gun which was faulty and kept jamming. Trying to clear it for the umpteenth time he managed to put a nail through his hand. Off to the local A&E where he went in with his bloody hand and told the girl on the desk that he had shot himself in the hand with a nail gun. He was ushered into a cubicle and the curtain pulled run him. Ten minutes later the curtain was pulled back by two armed police in the full gear. He was forced to lie on the floor for ten minutes while he was searched, and his van was searched. The busy A&E dept had been completely evacuated. His hand was then treated while two armed police waited outside the room and then he was taken to the police station to make a statement. Once the word gun is mentioned automatic procedures kick in these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted March 8, 2009 Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 Phil, Obviously you got your answer,but just for info., for any of the commonly used shot sizes the following formula will give you a reasonable rule of thumb answer. 1500 divided by the cube root of N where N is the number of pellet per ounce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HW682 Posted March 8, 2009 Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 Wymberley, If you put in a figure of 260 to the ounce (about right for size 6ish) you get an answer of 235 which I assume in in yards? HW682 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted March 8, 2009 Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 HW682, Hello, Mate, You've cracked it. Yes, in yards. To be pedantic, its 270. Can't take the credit for this, it comes from Burrard and the formula as he describes it is empirical (from experience) in nature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenhunter Posted March 8, 2009 Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 Phil,Obviously you got your answer,but just for info., for any of the commonly used shot sizes the following formula will give you a reasonable rule of thumb answer. 1500 divided by the cube root of N where N is the number of pellet per ounce. You're kidding Its really funny though because I've just said on another post that I've never known anybody use algebra since I left school! And now you come up with this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegasus bridge Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 does anyone have the link to the BASC data? i have just had a good look on the website and cannot find it ? cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_R Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 You're kidding Its really funny though because I've just said on another post that I've never known anybody use algebra since I left school! And now you come up with this Algebra gets used over and over again without folk even being aware that's what they are doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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