Guest Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/49488...ek-protest.html This is an article about a school in London which held a Gay, Lesbian and Transgender day and some aprents didn't agree with their kids learning about this stuff and pulle dthier kids out of school for that day, but the authorities decided to prosecute the parents for truancy. So in Britain I guess if you are Gay and proud of it it is ok but if you are religiously conservative and don't agree it is ok for your freedom of speech to be eroded. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 Starting to understand how Charles Babbage felt when he was asked that infamous question ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeinVA Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 Dude everything is eroding.. I have always said that if you could figure out when the needs of the few started to outweighed the needs of the many, you will learn when our fine country's started down the ****** :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RhiannonBW Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 I wonder how many of the fathers pulling their kids out for being taught about those awful gay-types, actually get off on girl-on-girl porn?? I personally know of three young men who were murdered by gangs last year JUST because they were gay. Several of my gay friends have also been beaten up, and all of them were bullied at school. Anything that can be done to try and reduce the number of attacks is welcome. The parents are suffering from the very problem that the school is trying to fix - ignorance and intolerance. Rhiannon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest topshot_2k Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 (edited) I wonder how many of the fathers pulling their kids out for being taught about those awful gay-types, actually get off on girl-on-girl porn?? I personally know of three young men who were murdered by gangs last year JUST because they were gay. Several of my gay friends have also been beaten up, and all of them were bullied at school. Anything that can be done to try and reduce the number of attacks is welcome. The parents are suffering from the very problem that the school is trying to fix - ignorance and intolerance. Rhiannon Not really, i wouldnt let my kids have gone to it. Its not something i will ever except. Just because people dont agree with it why should they be punished? Edited March 7, 2009 by topshot_2k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 (edited) I wonder how many of the fathers pulling their kids out for being taught about those awful gay-types, actually get off on girl-on-girl porn?? I personally know of three young men who were murdered by gangs last year JUST because they were gay. Several of my gay friends have also been beaten up, and all of them were bullied at school. Anything that can be done to try and reduce the number of attacks is welcome. The parents are suffering from the very problem that the school is trying to fix - ignorance and intolerance. Rhiannon Without wanting to be too crude I don't see the relevance of the 'straight man watching girl-on-girl' porn arguement. I've watched it and as a straight man i admire the female form, therefore with girl-on-girl you get 'two for the price of one' :( , plus you don't have to watch some blokes hairy @r$e bouncing up and down I don't think theres many men out there that are under the delusion that the two female actors are in fact lesbians, and even if they were i doubt they'd be getting off on their lifestyle choice . . . I think that parents should have every right to decide what their child is taught at school. If creationism was being taught as scientific fact and the parents removed their children i wonder if this would have even got a mention? I have seven gay friends (men and women) and don't have a problem with their lifestyle, but just because i don't and others do it doesn't make them ignorant. If the parents were doing it for religious reasons and they genuinuely believe their child is going to Hell for eternity for being taught such things i think they have every reason to try to protect their child!! Even if that does sound extreme or daft to us, they should have that right. Mark Edited March 7, 2009 by Breastman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 I'm all for tolerance of gay relationships. But I'm 100% with these parents on this one. This is just loony leftist crepe, forcing primary school kids to accept stuff like this when they're not even old enough to make decisions on anything. In my book, this doesn't even have anything to do with religion. They'll be teaching them to feel guilt that they're straight soon, just like they try with race, with apologists like Blair grovelling to the wider world on our behalf for slavery. If I want that ***** to apologise on my behalf, I'll let him know, otherwise he can either shut his trap or apologise for himself alone, if he feels a desperate need to snivel :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 (edited) Exactly, I don't see anything wrong with gay people, I have some gay friends. This is esentially a free speech issue I see and when you have a school which is willing to prosecute parents for exercising their free speech then that is very scary indeed. :( I wouldn't have poersonally pulled my kids out of school, I want to teach them about gay and transgendered people and to be tolerant but when others are being prosecuted for their opposite views, that is wrong. Edited March 7, 2009 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 (edited) I couldn't agree with Chard anymore, However the one thing I am not tolerant of is anyone else shoving their lifestyle down my throat. Be that lifestyle them being gay, religious, football fanatic or any thing else that I am not interested in. I don't walk down the street telling everyone they should go out and shoot their own food (although they should) I keep myself to myself. Why should I have to put up with religious people knocking on my front door trying to sign me up to fund their crusade? Or put up with a load of poofters holding hands and kissing or marching through london wearing pink and telling everyone to be gay. And the pulling the homophobe card the moment someone doesn't agree with them If we were meant to be gay there wouldn't be 2 sexes would there? Edited March 7, 2009 by MC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 I couldn't agree with Chard anymore, However the one thing I am not tolerant of is anyone else shoving their lifestyle down my throat. Be that lifestyle them being gay, religious, football fanatic or any thing else that I am not interested in. I don't walk down the street telling everyone they should go out and shoot their own food (although they should) I keep myself to myself. Why should I have to put up with religious people knocking on my front door trying to sign me up to fund their crusade? Or put up with a load of poofters holding hands and kissing or marching through london wearing pink and telling everyone to be gay. And the pulling the homophobe card the moment someone doesn't agree with them If we were meant to be gay there wouldn't be 2 sexes would there? Yes, that just about sums it up for me too. Bit like vegetarians. If you want to pig out on lettuce leaves, then hey, fill your boots, but don't preach your "Meat is Murder" bollix to me 'Ave a banana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 Yes, that just about sums it up for me too. Bit like vegetarians. If you want to pig out on lettuce leaves, then hey, fill your boots, but don't preach your "Meat is Murder" bollix to me 'Ave a banana I knew I missed one lot out. Vegetarians indeed Don't they know why they have teeth? :lol: :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirnovember Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 I wouldn't wan't my kids to start thinking it's "okay" to be gay. What did ever happen to free speech Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 (edited) I wouldn't wan't my kids to start thinking it's "okay" to be gay. What did ever happen to free speech At this age, I think filling their heads with this is completely unnecessary and forcing them to consider lifestyle choices that they shouldn't be burdened with. Standard sex education is OK, if handled correctly, as it conveniently gets them understanding where they came from and the purpose of their bodies etc. Homosexuality? What's that helping them with, exactly? Just forcing them to acknowledge that Tarquin likes to get it off with Horatio, for purely basic reasons that have very little practical use for continuing the species I'm not wholly convinced that primary school kids should be pondering that one. I'm not actually totally convinced that I want to be pondering that one for too long Edited March 7, 2009 by Chard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 (edited) I knew I missed one lot out. Vegetarians indeed Don't they know why they have teeth? Get back to sucking on your lettuce leaf, MC I've got my Beretta out and I'm off to Worsley in a bit to give some of those blokes a damn good pounding But not in the biblical sense, you understand Edited March 7, 2009 by Chard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 "At this age, I think filling their heads with this is completely unnecessary and forcing them to consider lifestyle choices that they shouldn't be burdened with. Standard sex education is OK, if handled correctly, as it conveniently gets them understanding where they came from and the purpose of their bodies etc." I would just be like: there some people who like their own gender and that's about it. You don't need to go calling them a poof or being disrespectful, but at the same time I don't want anyone forcing my children adopting a belief without their consent. The horror stories of some of you fine gents when your children in primary school explain thier dad's hobby just frightens me. Teachers who have nothing in common with hunting think the child is disturbed because his parents "kill animals". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 I am all for valuing difference and tolerance of difference even if you don't happen to like it. However there are some very important facts to consider, the age of the kids is fundamental to the debate. We are not wanting kids to make lifestyle choices at such a young age and encouraging certain types of behavior. Some people practice cannibalism but we don't want to encourage this practice in our schools or practice tolerance of this do we? There are standards and people make choices about what they are, these include laws and religions. Currently we have individual freedom over many issues but not guided by very much other than popular and or some highly vocalized minorities with others protesting we need more freedom of speech and behavior etc. So does political correctness give headway for the minority to push less than ideal agendas forwards to be come societal norms? Where do we draw the line? The positive influences in society are on a downward spiral with many negative and selfish attitudes becoming more the norm. I think the age of the kids mentioned is just too young for them to debate these issues and the influence is far to negative for their own good To lighten thing up a bit, do we really want to encourage this behaviour as normal for a young boy? >>> clicky <<< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 Who was it that once said "god created Adam and Eve-not Gary & Steve". Im a tolerant person,but i do not think this sort of thing should be taught to impressionable children.They already grow up far too fast and their childhood should be something to be savoured and enjoyed-not worrying if they've got enough KY... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 children need to be taught about reproduction in school, and thats it. I cant see much point in telling them how to ride big Tony bareback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeinVA Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 Dudes i am leaving this one alone.. Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion, and y'all know that where i live is right smack dab in the middle of the US Bible belt.. And i dont want you gents to lable me as an ugly American Even though i am man pretty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 If your views are different to what government want us to believe when it comes to homosexuals and racisim then you are unable to put your view across because you will be classed as homophobic and a racist . your hands will be tied and you will be breaking the law to try and debate these issues if you have a less tolerant view on these subjects . Its a funny old world that we live in . Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeinVA Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 If your views are different to what government want us to believe when it comes to homosexuals and racisim then you are unable to put your view across because you will be classed as homophobic and a racist . your hands will be tied and you will be breaking the law to try and debate these issues if you have a less tolerant view on these subjects . Its a funny old world that we live in . Harnser . That is true dude.. The big war here centers around four words ' In God We Trust' a few do not like those words so they see it fitting that we have those words sticken from our currency This is a country founded on Christian beliefs.. I see my first ammendment right, to free speach, is only applicable to the minority faction.. Again, how can you justify the needs of the few to supercede the needs of the many Am i so stupid as to not undestand this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Sweepy Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 I was bought up in the house where sex was a dirty word. So when i became a parent. I decided that i would be more open with my own children. And i like to think that i am . If both my boys want to know something then they know they can come and asked mum. But the way i tell it may be differant to each child. As i know at what stage(mentally)They are in their development(each child is different) From the aged of 10 onwards. yes they do need to start understanding what is happen to their bodys. But all this about relationships surly comes later. Or when the parent feels that their child is ready and mature enough to understand. As my parents told me nothing about it what so ever. My first experiance of the homosexual woman was at 14.At the New years party . Being chase round a house by the drunken women . Who thought i was cute and ready to be plucked. xxxxSuzy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeinVA Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 I was bought up in the house where sex was a dirty word.So when i became a parent. I decided that i would be more open with my own children. And i like to think that i am . If both my boys want to know something then they know they can come and asked mum. But the way i tell it may be differant to each child. As i know at what stage(mentally)They are in their development(each child is different) From the aged of 10 onwards. yes they do need to start understanding what is happen to their bodys. But all this about relationships surly comes later. Or when the parent feels that their child is ready and mature enough to understand. As my parents told me nothing about it what so ever. My first experiance of the homosexual woman was at 14.At the New years party . Being chase round a house by the drunken women . Who thought i was cute and ready to be plucked. xxxxSuzy Morning darlin.. It is society evolving into something ugly.. To each their own but for Christ sake keep you beliefs to yourself.. I do not have to like what you do, or what you are about, and by forcing me to accept your ways is going to achieve nothing but making me even more set in my ways of thinking.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boomstick Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 (edited) If your views are different to what government want us to believe when it comes to homosexuals and racisim then you are unable to put your view across because you will be classed as homophobic and a racist . your hands will be tied and you will be breaking the law to try and debate these issues if you have a less tolerant view on these subjects . Its a funny old world that we live in . Harnser . I don't, fortunately believe this to be the case! I think one should draw a distinction between intelligent debate and general yobbish hatemongering. For example, I do not think that it is an intelligent suggestion to say that people should not be educated about homosexuality or gay rights - as both are a fact of life. An argument against learning about these things is an argument to create a nation of idiots who are improperly prepared to deal with LIFE. I do, however, think it is highly intelligent to debate the appropriateness of teaching children about these things; at what age? The same debates go on about even heterosexual sex education. If you want my 2 cents on it though: I think education is the means to freedom, and the beauty of free speech is impossible to realise without it. Whatever your kids learn at school you should make your business to know about, and most people will 'add' to whatever their kids have learnt at school with their own personal opinions. I for one won't trust a school to fully educate my kids when i have them - an education is a heck of a lot more than bookwork and a government decided national curriculum. Give the kids all the information - objective, subjective and downright biased - ALL of it. Then let them make their mind up and help answer their questions when they have them. We don't give kids enough credit - they are smarter than you might think. Cheers Boomstick EDIT: incidentally the parents WERE NOT getting prosecuted for free speech, they were getting prosecuted for removing their kids from school. Free speech does NOT mean freedom to do as you wish - whether you like that or not. Edited March 7, 2009 by Boomstick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George1990 Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 They don't start teaching sex education to us youngsters till year 10. This is when they should be told about woofters - as they are old enough to make their own decisions. Only feels like yesterday that i was at primary school, and you believe what you are told! Shouldn't be telling them that sort of stuff at primary school age! Probably have a generation of bisexuals haha and Breastman.. I like your style :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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