sid the sniper Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 (edited) What fox caliber has the flattest trajectory 204,222,223,243,22-250? Also what is best with factories? Edited May 17, 2009 by sid the sniper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lez325 Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 17 HMR Les Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sid the sniper Posted May 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 (edited) i didnt want to cause world war 3 about this again Edited May 17, 2009 by sid the sniper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lez325 Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 I agree some areas dont allow 17 HMR as a fox round- I wasn't intending to cause a conflict either Les Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilishdave Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 .17 drops of steeply when the others are still shooting flat. I would imagine it would be between the .204 and the .243 driving 55 grain heads fast 4000fps region Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sid the sniper Posted May 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 is the 17 rem a decent fox round? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest topshot_2k Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 .22-250? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodeer Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 There was a bit about this in Sporting Rifle a few months back. Think the .22-250 and the .243 with 55g loads were near as damn equal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 yep .204 or .243, I'd imagine the .243 would be more forgiving if you were a little off target, the .204 not so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead-Eyed Duck Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 is the 17 rem a decent fox round? I had one for a couple of years. I was attracted to the unusual, exotic round bit. Also the flat trajectory appealed. Reloading was fairly easy, and accuracy excellent. However, it was my experience that a 22-250 or 223 would do the same job, and probably better. I now have a 223 as my maximum normal range is 200 yards. If you have big, flat fields etc then a 22-250 may be better. Don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 If you are shooting under 300 yards, then muzzle velocity is the king when it comes to trajectory. In factory offerings (of what you have above), you're not going to go faster than the 204 ruger. The 32 gr bullet from the 204 is pushing 4200 (claimed from hornady, give or take depending on our gun). The 222 and 223 won't get there with any bullet. Hornady claim their 22-250 with a 40 gr v-max is doing 4150, so that will be comparable. The 57 gr v-max in the 243 is only pushing 3800 they say. So of the two loads from Hornady (and I don't know of anyone loading hotter in factory offerings) you'll not have much difference in trajectory out to 300 as both are starting about the same speed. Since both bullets also have about the same BC, both loads calculate to within about 2 MOA at 900 yards. If you are talking handloads, then there is a whole different world out there. Then the 243 comes into the equation with the lighter bullets. Either way though, muzzle velocity rules the day when you are talking about short range trajectories (sub 300 yards). The 17 Rem would also be in the running with a 25 gr bullet at 4k. Thanks Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sid the sniper Posted May 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 (edited) Will 204 be easier than 22 250 to get passed on a certain peice of land and whats the price diference of the bullets? Edited May 17, 2009 by sid the sniper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Just buy a .22-250 or a .243. It makes sense. There is a ready supply of ammunition and rifles. You could, however, buy something truly bonkers like a .20 Satan, or a more mainsteam .223 WSSM, both of which make the .204 Ruger look very weedy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traztaz Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Anyone with experience of 260? I have been told it will do all from fox to piggy.............any ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytie Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Anyone with experience of 260? I have been told it will do all from fox to piggy.............any ideas? FEO's will be unlikely to grant you a .260 for pigs, but it will kill them! Defra have come up with a recommendation of .270 or above for wild boar, but they are regularly taken in the Forest Of Dean with a .243 (four of them anyway this year). You should get a .260 for deer and fox, they are fairly flat shooting and at good velocities. Ammo is not regularly available though, at least not round here it isn't. 156gn Oryx from a 6.5x55 stops pigs in their tracks. Atb, ft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 I think Browning has a .260 Rem, Traztaz. He may be able to comment further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbart Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Just buy a .22-250 or a .243. It makes sense. There is a ready supply of ammunition and rifles. You could, however, buy something truly bonkers like a .20 Satan, or a more mainsteam .223 WSSM, both of which make the .204 Ruger look very weedy. What the F is a .20 satan and where do i get one On the original question,if it is for fox then you cant find much better than 22-250 for a dedicated foxing tool.It shoots flat for a long way,gets there quicker than most and destroys foxes almost anywhere you hit them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambpie Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Found this on the Remington website.... http://www.remington.com/products/ammunition/ballistics/ give you loads of information on round trajectory and loads of other stuff. Quite interesting, may help you decide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 What the F is a .20 satan and where do i get one It sounds great, doesn't it? The .20 Satan is based on a necked down 6.5x47 case. It is pretty punchy. Bruce Potts wrote about the calibre some years ago, and I think uses one for fox control. That calibre, along with other supercharged wildcats like the .20-250 and .22-243 offer ridiculous speeds. One guy on saubier.com clocked his .20-250 at 4,550fps with 38gr bullets. I cannot imagine the barrel would live to see 1,000 rounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 I would guess closer to 400 than 1000. Thanks Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Yes, you're probably right, Rick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v-max Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 A 22.250 takes some beating & a joy to home load as it is a forgiving round & will shoot accuratly with the poorest of home loads. Mine shoots the same POI with 50g-55g bullet heads in N140/BLC-2/Varget its the same no matter what. Iv had the 243 too & yes its very good but i found it too much like my 22.250 so got rid of it after 6-7yrs as i fancyed a chance & got a 25cal. I wanted a smaller cf & a bigger cf hence the 22.250 & 25cal. As far as i think the 22.250 is the boy & iv had it for 9yrs & cant see me getting rid of it it's the 1 cal i wont change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 baldrick, In case you haven't seen it yet, here is the article on the 20-250 from Dave A on Saubier. There are also 2 good articles about the 17 predator. Not quite 4550, but Dave is getting 4300 with 40 gr bullets from the 20-250. http://www.rmvh.com/20-250%20-%20Why%20the%2020-250.htm Thanks Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macca Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Hi Guys, most efficient cartridge and one of the flattest shooting is the 17Mk IV or its commercial equivalent, the 17 fireball. I have mine loaded mildly for 3800 fps with a 25 grainer. A mate has his wound up to 4200 with a 20 grain pill. I hold dead on to 250metres. Small powder volumes means less noise and less fouling and minimal throat erosion. As a commercial shooter it is my cartridge of choice. (Sako A1 8x56 kahales) Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 Thanks for the link, Rick. That makes for interesting reading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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