Dumb Question (Just for a change!!)

[Fatcatsplat]

Sorry, i know this has probably been asked a thousand times - I've tried doing a search but came up with nowt that really helped me, so hopefully one of you out there will be nice and kind (as ever) and answer a few of my dumb*** questions.

 

I've got a new permission in Kent and there are more bunnies than you can shake a dirty stick at. Have got a couple of shotties and non fac air rifles, but now want to go a little larger (On the basis that they can feel the ground rumbling from 100 yards as I creep along like a 19 stone ninja).

 

Rimfire seems to be the way to go, certainly from a price perspective and also from a "right tool for the job" perspective. My questions, in no particular order are:

 

1) I need to get forms 101 and 125 completed - Do i apply for a firearms certificate to run alongside my shotgun certificate or is it a separate document?

2) Can i get my boss to countersign the certificate (as i did for the shottie)?

3) I have a shotgun certificate already – Does this entail another home visit?

4) Do i need to get the land cleared? I'm shooting as part of a syndicate and there are several guys using rifles already, so i assume that it's already

cleared (might check this just in case).

5) Reading an earlier thread, there seems to be little or no difference between 17HMR and 22LR apart from the 22LR being a fair bit cheaper. What’s the

difference in ammo prices, choice and availability? There’s also a 22WMR – Any good or obsolete now?

6) Does my bum look big in this?

 

Sorry for the shopping list, but want to make sure I know what I’m doing.

 

Thanks,

 

Matt

 

[steve_b_wales]

You would require a seperate certificate (Firearms)

Your boss could sign for you.

You would probably get another visit to check your cabinet, it depends on your police force.

If the land is being used for 22 rimfire, then it would not have to be checked again (ask your local police force to check)

A 22 LR is the best tool to use, as you can either use 22 sub sonic, which are virtually quiet, or you can use high, or hyper velocity bullets for longer ranges. Nothing wrong with the .17HMR, but I would gp for a .22

 

Steve

[Fatcatsplat]

When you say quiet, do you mean that i do not need a moderator? Fancy doing a bit of evening lamping work which obviously would need to be as quiet as possible.

 

Apologies for the nerdy questions - It's something i know very little about. Anyone know of any target rifle clubs in or around Essex/Kent where i could go to get a better feel for the subject.

[Mungler]

Matt, I have a tricked up Ruger 10.22 with your name on it.

 

You about this weekend?

[Lez325]

yes even a .22 LR using sub sonic ammo will need a moderator- for longer ranges I would opt for a 17 HMR

 

If as you say noise could be an issue then go for a 22 LR- very quiet and useful calibre although has 1/2 the range of a 17 HMR

 

Les

[henry d]

Re the certificates, you could also ask for them to be "co-terminous" so they both start and finish on the same date and save money, I can`t remember the prices but it may be worth a word with the FEO. My FEO didn`t allow me to have the same people to sign both certs, however if you are asking them one question, another won`t hurt !

 

Best of luck

[Lez325]

C0- Terminous costs £50 for both as opposed to £50 each in my area

 

so well worth the effort finacially I mean thats 250 No6 pigeon carts

 

 

Les

[joeshaw08]

You'll need a moderator, make sure you include that you'll be using one when you write out your forms

[AndyCM]

Hi Matt,

 

Have you seen / tried a .22LR or .17HMR in the field ?

 

If not I might be able to arrange that for you sometime this weekend - not too far into Kent (a few junctions from the bridge).

 

So, if you want to see CZ452 bolt actions in each flavour and have a go drop me a pm.

 

I have subbies (the quiet .22 ones) & velocitors (the noisey .22 ones) & a selection of .17hmr stuff to confuse with

 

Cheers

AndyCM

 

(neither rifle is for sale)

Edited May 28, 2009 by AndyCM

[al4x]

try both rifles would be ideal, the HMR is noisier but gives you a lot more range and is far more accurate.

as for co-terminous I didn't apply to go co-terminous but on my visit my FEO encouraged me to do so. Means they run out at the same time and saves the FEO visiting twice. Cost wise its another tenner on top of the Firearms application so well worth it.

[Fatcatsplat]

Thanks chaps - Andy and the other Andy - You have PM

[rjimmer]

As it's your first FAC they might want to specify one actual land area only.

You could try asking that a condition is added that 'The weapon may also be used over areas of land where weapons of similar or larger calibres are already used by the owner or occupier'.

That's what I had on my certificate once, without any specific piece of land mentioned. 40 years ago now.

OR 'also over land that has already been deemed safe for the use of weapons of similar or larger calibres.'

When the Southern Sea Fisheries Committee issued **** permits, I was also allowed to use a .22rf at sea. If within a mile of the shore, I was only allowed to shoot toward tha land if the cliffs were over a certain height. 100 feet, I think!

HAPPY DAYS!

[stevethevanman]

Do not listen to those that say there is nothing between 22LR and 17HMR...it is undisputed that HMR has a sgnificant range increase over the 22LR...however the HMR isnt silent and the 22LR is

 

Steve

Edited May 28, 2009 by stevethevanman