Fleabag Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 (edited) OK I have decided to remove this vid and for the benefit of the sport will not shoot any more bunnies at long range. Will admit to wrongly posting the said long range clip. will not post any more on this forum goodbye. Edited June 12, 2009 by Fleabag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groach1234 Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 that camera does have a very good zoom, shows that the other ones that looked so close may not have been and nearly with the shot better luck next time George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlander Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 Pointless! Why don't you practice some fieldcraft and get nearer your quarry then HIT it or if you must take long range shots at least practice on some paper first so you know exactly what hold over/under you need to hit the target? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleabag Posted June 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 (edited) Pointless! Why don't you practice some fieldcraft and get nearer your quarry then HIT it or if you must take long range shots at least practice on some paper first so you know exactly what hold over/under you need to hit the target? Well actually I hit the one next to it. and knew my dial in to the range, see strike point.the camara was pointing at the wrong one it was hard to see it on the screen that range. and had the wind not caught the bullet it also would have struck thats why i took the shot as per the other vids i dont need paper targets that i cant see strike points at long range. but thanks for the feed back. Field craft is good if you need to get close and personnel. We actually kill far more rabbits at long range simply as the vids show they cant see where the danger is so just carry on eating when there mates vanish. Edited June 12, 2009 by Fleabag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 expensive bunny control but I guess whatever floats your boat, I take it its with an HMR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlander Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 Exactly what is 'long range' please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavman Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 expensive bunny control but I guess whatever floats your boat, I take it its with an HMR I did not think it would take long where are Wookie and Zapp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryantidgwell Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 some good vids u got there and a hell of alot of bunnys to go at Wd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiggy1234567 Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 I do question your motivation? Why would anyone need to control rabbits from 500 yds (that is 1500 feet or 475 meters!!) I would not even take a deer or fox at that range with my .243 as I would not be happy that I could get a clean kill ... same should go for those bunnies (as your shooting demonstrates). Vids like this are used by animal rights and antis to show how brainless we are! Not a good advert for our chosen activities. Sorry, not impressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marlin vs Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 Good video Fleabag, at least you'r honest, not everyone hit's 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 agree with highlander...pointless and stupid, part of our sport is about getting close to your target without it's knowing you are there..... I've said it on here before...there is no quick way to dispatch a badly shot animal at that range if the first shot is a bad one. If marksmanship at long range is your thing then use paper targets! Gixer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleabag Posted June 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 (edited) agree with highlander...pointless and stupid, part of our sport is about getting close to your target without it's knowing you are there..... I've said it on here before...there is no quick way to dispatch a badly shot animal at that range if the first shot is a bad one. If marksmanship at long range is your thing then use paper targets! Gixer. Edited June 12, 2009 by Fleabag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 (edited) For anyone interested, Chris goes for head shots on the longer range rabbits so that he either misses or gets a definitive upper body kill, bearing in mind it's taken with a centre fire rifle. The shot referred to was almost from the rear - he didn't go for the easier/bigger back end area. A further reason for this is that the shot is a little more challenging and since the bunny only hears a crack and sees a puff of dust it rarely clears off or moves far from it, so there is nearly always time to have another shot when doing long range rabbit control in particular. Those who do not try long range may not be aware of this behavior of rabbit. Deer, Fox, Crow or Pigeon would usually scarper before a reload and settle down can take place. Many of you will realise the observer (in this case the camera) sees the bullet hit from a slightly different perspective than the shooter as he is usually two or three feet away from the point of aim - and path of the strike. The slightly side on view we saw looks wider than when looked at from the exact point of aim. The camera is located on the left hand side of the dashboard - anyone with a Pajero will know that's about the only reasonbly suitable location for it - while the shot is taken from the gap between the drivers door window frame and the mirror. Note the bunny is completely unaware of the shooter faffing about to catch the recycled shell so it's not ejected outside the vehicle. I think Chris got a bit word blind after being put on the defensive and failed to correctly reply to the criticisms being made. We all do our thing in slightly different ways and few will deny Cornwall has a serious rabbit problem that has not been adequately tackled. Shooting is more humane than some methods the 'anti's would rather be used so that they don't see it - and of course that particular bunny was unharmed in the making of that video clip. For those who hope they portray that they never miss a shot at vermin - we all believe you, yes really we do. Edited June 13, 2009 by Dave-G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 hey fleabag we all get a little flack in here from time to time don't take it personally not sure what the fuss is about as I didn't see the bid but forget about it and enjoy the form for fun don't take it to heart straight shooting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead-Eyed Duck Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 The closer you are to your quarry, then the less you tend to miss. Funny that. There are lots on here that manage to shoot 100's if not 1000's of rabbits every year with a damn near 100% kill rate. Every time I miss I stop and think - why? I lose more sleep thinking about the ones that I miss than the 100's that I hit. It's all about %'s. The more you practise at paper then the less you miss; the better your outfit the less you miss; and the more you think about what you are doing then again the less you miss. Sorry, but I tend to lose patience with posts that show 'long range' shooting with a fairly high probability of missing or wounding what you are shooting at. No, in hindsight, I ain't sorry at all. Don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 Point taken and acknowleged Don - a closer shot is naturally less likely to be a miss if for no other reason than its MOA. With respect Don you are missing the point of long range options should one wish to take them, can I ask if you have ever tried for a long range bunny with CF? You don't have to wait around for ages for it to become available for a shot again. Any CF hit will almost certainly kill it while a miss will not harm it - but there's almost always another opportunity to try again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead-Eyed Duck Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 The answer is yes - I have shot lots of bunnies at 150 yards or so with 22-250, 223 and 17 Rem. I am fully prepared to do this now as the guns are accurate enough; the scopes are good and I have a lot of experience. The learning curve in this business is a bit of a ******, and there are lots of youngsters on this forum who read posts about shooting foxes at 150 yards with rimmies and 17 hmr's and think that if he can do it, then so can I. More years ago than I care to remember I was young and keen and eager too. Back to the point. I have done many things in the past that I ruminate on and think about. I have been out with guys who I have seen blowing up rabbits with large calibres and then been nissed off when a wounded rabbit crawls away - they tended to blame the rabbit for moving as they pulled the trigger etc. It's all about getting the odds in your favour. The starting point should always be range work. But you then have to translate this to putting it to practise in the field when you have to shoot uphill, downhill, at an angle, in various windy conditions, etc. Hitting a rabbit with a cf will not always instantly kill it - blowing the leg off a rabbit or it's bottom jaw is not pleasant. I've done it many years ago in the past and learned by the experience. I still miss the odd one, but not many. All I know is that the further your quarry is, then the odds go against you. On a last point, someone else has mentioned that anti's read these forum's and are very quick to use any adverse posts for their own ends. Please, please think about that. Don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 Thanks Don. I personally feel that a 150 yard bunny will rarely sit while a shooter manipulates his Cf rifle out the window of a car while trying to catch an empty shell. The rifle is a rather heavy and bulky .223 with an Accuracy America stock (just to give an idea of how unwieldly it is) By your own admitance you have no experience of long range bunny bashing if all you have done is 150 yards rabbit. Hitting a rabbit with a CF will rarely not kill it by trauma alone. I have no experience of shotties yet don't feel the need to jump in on pigeoning threads where a pigeon might fly on after being hit - under the guise that 'antis might read the thread so people shouldn't take a longer shot. And what about our game bird threads? They are bred for shooting for pleasure purposes but thats ok then? At least rabbit control is all about reducing pests that feed on our ever dwindling green fields. The end result is that rabbit reduction is all about reducing their numbers - and shooting is one of the most humane methods possible. If we are to be worried about what 'antis might use against us we had just as well stop discussions about shooting. Glad to see you admit to missing occasionally. Chris is being slated for admitting that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead-Eyed Duck Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 Dave I have shot rabbits at over 250 yards in the past, and now know the stupidity of this, as the kill % drops away as the range increases. Whether you like it or not Joe Public and his Mrs think of cuddly bunnies, and will only tolerate them being culled if they are killed outright. Joe Public and his Mrs out number us by a huge amount. If you want to carry on posting that killing bunnies at 300 yards (or whatever) can result in lots being wounded or missed rabbits (i.e. you are not skilled enough to do a proper job) then you are doing the majority of shooters a severe disfavour. I repeat, think before you post before a copy of it ends up in some morning newspaper when proper news is hard to come by. I well remember in the last foot and mouth outbreak seeing on the news some nutter with a .22 rimmy, chasing after some sheep to be culled, and taking shot after shot at one before it finally collapsed riddled with lead. Don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabid bunny Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 Dave I have shot rabbits at over 250 yards in the past, and now know the stupidity of this, as the kill % drops away as the range increases. Whether you like it or not Joe Public and his Mrs think of cuddly bunnies, and will only tolerate them being culled if they are killed outright. Joe Public and his Mrs out number us by a huge amount. If you want to carry on posting that killing bunnies at 300 yards (or whatever) can result in lots being wounded or missed rabbits (i.e. you are not skilled enough to do a proper job) then you are doing the majority of shooters a severe disfavour. I repeat, think before you post before a copy of it ends up in some morning newspaper when proper news is hard to come by. I well remember in the last foot and mouth outbreak seeing on the news some nutter with a .22 rimmy, chasing after some sheep to be culled, and taking shot after shot at one before it finally collapsed riddled with lead. Don Lucky for us Chris is not some "nutter" then. If we are that worried about what the "anti's" might think, perhaps we should not have a forum such as this. I have a great deal of respect for Chris's ability and professionalism at shooting, especially at long range. Good work Chris. You do not need every one's approval, there will always be some "spoil sport" do gooder out there that will criticize even the best of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 (edited) http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8hnku_st...ireland_animals you will have to register to see the clip. funny how a site dedicated to country sports can bites its supporters on the ****. dont know if the link will work http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/index...howtopic=105244 Edited June 13, 2009 by Cranfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnGalway Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 (edited) http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8hnku_st...ireland_animals Daily motion eh, very appropriate name that (Comment directed at the website Mark posted, not commenting on this thread as it's getting a bit personal for me ). Edited June 13, 2009 by JohnGalway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 I accept that posting the vids may offend some people, but we all know how much more effective a Centre fire rifle is than a rimfire. I'm no trauma specialist but I'd guess a 400 yard rabbit shot badly with a 55 grain CF ballistic tipped head would expire much quicker than a 100 yard badly shot with a rimfire - ballistic tip or sub sonic. Thats the main arguement in favour of using CF for Fox and Hare. I personally don't get much further than 200 yards with my 17 rem - but if I get my loads worked up better I might feel competent enough to extend that range. I would probably go for the larger body shot to to increase my changes of a hit - which with a ballistic tipped bullet would acheive the destruction of the crop eating rabbit. Chris's bullet strike would have connected had he taken the larger bodyshot and the rabbit would not be depriving the farmer of grass feed for the winter sustenance of his cattle, nor grazing for his dairy herd. Even most 'anti's drink milk. If anyone personally doesn't wish to draw attention to the vid perhaps they should not post something that warrants a reply in its defence? This thread may well have died a death by now and knowing Chris, he would have learned from it and posted less contentious ones - if any, in future. Just because some people don't need or want to take an extended shot doesn't mean we should never try to extend our vermin control range into areas that are difficult or unwise to get to due to terrain, crop, drawing attention to or any other reason. A small quarry species such as a rabbit will almost certainly die quickly if shot anywhere on its body with a CF rifle. One that does not get shot because the shooter chose a more exacting shot placement will not be injured. It's either dead or healthy. The bunny was not trapped, hounded to death, poisioned or otherwise in fear of its life - and still goes about it's destruction of the farmers crop for the time being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead-Eyed Duck Posted June 14, 2009 Report Share Posted June 14, 2009 This has gone on long enough..... If you cannot get within 150 yards of a rabbit to ensure that it is extremely, definitely dead then I would suggest that you take some stalking lessons. Pot shotting rabbits at 300 + yards to extend your vermin control range into areas that are difficult or unwise to get to does not really warrant any further debate Don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabid bunny Posted June 14, 2009 Report Share Posted June 14, 2009 This has gone on long enough..... If you cannot get within 150 yards of a rabbit to ensure that it is extremely, definitely dead then I would suggest that you take some stalking lessons. Pot shotting rabbits at 300 + yards to extend your vermin control range into areas that are difficult or unwise to get to does not really warrant any further debate Don You miss the point, if you are capable of acurately shooting 400 + yards you do not need stalking skills and the bunny count increases significantly. I suggest if you are not happy shooting over 150 yards then don't. However criticizing others who are experienced and proficient at this technique is out of order, I do not agree with your opinion and am I'm glad you do not want to debate it further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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