Graham M Posted December 22, 2006 Report Share Posted December 22, 2006 Don’t want to start a war over this, but I hate those things with a passion. G.M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza Posted December 22, 2006 Report Share Posted December 22, 2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted December 22, 2006 Report Share Posted December 22, 2006 Don’t want to start a war over this, but I hate those things with a passion. G.M. never worn one graham, do they hurt please. happy xmas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead-Eyed Duck Posted December 22, 2006 Report Share Posted December 22, 2006 Useless things. Never could get the wife to wear one Don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted December 22, 2006 Report Share Posted December 22, 2006 Useless things. Never could get the wife to wear one Don and if she see,s this don, you will be wearing a slap round the lug. merry xmas mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pluckers son Posted December 23, 2006 Report Share Posted December 23, 2006 i need it for my spanial,when i take her in the car she whines alot and i cant get her to shut up when i tell her to shut up it make her worse and i have just got a new dog and i dont want it to take after the spanial maybe someone is willing to lend me a collar for some £££ and when she lurns to keep quiet i will buy a dumy collar to put on her when i take her out. i dont like the collars but i dont have no other option other than dont take her out cheers pluckers son MERRY CHRISTMAS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza Posted December 23, 2006 Report Share Posted December 23, 2006 did you ask nttf for any advice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurcherboy Posted December 23, 2006 Report Share Posted December 23, 2006 did you ask nttf for any advice? LB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rarms Posted December 24, 2006 Report Share Posted December 24, 2006 I have used an electric collar on my spaniel, and I think they are great in some circumstances. Ours has four settings, I don't really use more than the first two. Number two a few times when she used to jump on the bed and she doesn't jump on the bed anymore. Also worked with stopping her confronting the cat, now they pretty much ignore each other! Having said that I think it is also quite important not to over use it as I have read about them getting very nervous with them. Ours came with a training video which was useful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claytons Guns Posted December 24, 2006 Report Share Posted December 24, 2006 Don’t want to start a war over this, but I hate those things with a passion. G.M. I'm goin with this guy ! Why would you need to use this type of thig to control an animal ? It dont seem right to me. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted December 24, 2006 Report Share Posted December 24, 2006 Don’t want to start a war over this I think you just have . . . did you ask nttf for any advice? He uses them as well Dazza. IMHO they have their place, but should only be used as a last resort. They should only be used by people with common sense as well, bit like guns realy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirky640 Posted December 24, 2006 Report Share Posted December 24, 2006 Don’t want to start a war over this, but I hate those things with a passion. G.M. totaly agree with pink beef better to spend a bit more time with your dog costes nothing !! dont do to your dog what you wouldnt like done to yourself cheers kirky :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new to the flock Posted December 24, 2006 Report Share Posted December 24, 2006 Unfortunately collars have a stigma attatched to them from days of old when the equiptment was not what it is today, and by people badmouthing them without knowing the proper use of them. A collar is not a punishment device used correctly. It is a signal device....the same as a whistle......and can be as light as a friendly pat or light poke of the finger, or used as just an audio tone. Collars are not the answer to every situation, and by no means are they a training miracle, but they are a very useful training tool use correctly. Pluckers son, When she is whinning is she: 1)whinning in excitement 2)whinning from nervousness 3)aware that she is doing it If you want to go over this lets take it to the dog section out of the forsale thread. NTTF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new to the flock Posted December 24, 2006 Report Share Posted December 24, 2006 An old post about e collars for some new readers: E-collars, are not meant to be used as a punishment. They are meant to be used as a signal, the same as a clicker, whistle or a tap on the head for sending. Many of them have an audible signal only button on them for the dog. This is known as a praise button. I hate this argument, for e-collars have a bad reputation in general, this was created by people that did not know or understand what they were doing, and by inferiour units that were on the market years ago. I would like you to consider a dog that was trained 2 years ago. This was a 9 month old lab bitch that was completely deaf. She had lost her hearing due to an accident. How do you take a dog that has no hearing and fabulous potential and turn her into a working retriever? By correctly using an electronic collar to que the dog. The collar stimulation, which is not meant to be painful, was used to que the dog the same as your whistle ques your dog. Consider the stimulation to by like a poke by a finger, a light poke will gain your attention with no pain. This bitch went on to become a first class working dog in the marsh and the uplands. In a not so distant past this dog would have been destroyed. Or destined to a non working life. Please dont get me wrong, I am not saying that every dog should be trained using one of these collars. I have many that have been trained on a flat collar only, however these are options for trainers and dogs when one method or another is not connecting with the animal. All children learn differantly, the same holds true for dogs. USED CORRECTLY these are not negative training tools. It is true that we run with collars on our dogs overhere. Many of us will run with an e-collar, beeper collar, or tracking collar. I would like to see if I can clarify this some. Tracking collars: used primarily on hounds. We use hounds for rabbits, raccoons, coyottees, mountain lions,wild boar, and bears. On a rabbit you may loose your dog by a mile or so, not to hard to relocate. A coon you may run 2 to 4 miles with the wind blowing the wrong way or rough terrain, difficult to relocate. Many a coon hound has been lost this way, Running bears or cats you may run the same animal for an hour or 6 days. The longest recorded chase is by a Plott hound that ran a black bear for 5 days over 650 miles. Tracking collars save animals lives. Beeper collars: used primarily on pointing dogs. Last year I dropped one of my English Pointers down without putting his collar on. Did a bad thing, took my eyes off him for a couple of minutes while I watered the little boys tree. You guessed it he was on point, but with no beeper I did not know where. It took me 45 minutes to locate him. The farthest he was away from me at any given time during that 45 minutes was 65 yards. Beeper collars keep dogs from being left behind, or lost. E-collars: used on all types of hunting dogs. Join me out west for a horseback bird hunt on the plains, or for ptarmagin on the east coast in the barrens, and you will think that you are hunting the deaf lab disscussed earlier. Our dogs are allowed to run BIG. This is best explained by telling you we use binoculars alot. The dogs cannot hear you, but if you have to handle them you can. It is not uncommon to allow your dog out a mile to a mile and a half. If you want to locate birds in these areas you have to run big. I hope this helps to explain what proper use means, and to let you see that when USED CORRECTLY these collars are very useful training tools designed to help your dog not punish it. NTTF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conor Posted December 24, 2006 Report Share Posted December 24, 2006 my dad uses an elec collar on border collies that are very head strong it works very well, only need to use low settings, it goes from 1 to 15 i think. i have tried all settings on my leg and its only the last 4 (which are never used) that give slight discomfort. its easy run something down when you have never used one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurcherboy Posted December 24, 2006 Report Share Posted December 24, 2006 I just had to try the top level on my neck. It hurt LB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferret Master Posted December 24, 2006 Report Share Posted December 24, 2006 I just had to try the top level on my neck. It hurt LB PMSLROTHLMFAO :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flash Posted December 25, 2006 Report Share Posted December 25, 2006 lol, if its good enough for LB, its good enough for ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackthorn Posted December 27, 2006 Report Share Posted December 27, 2006 I just had to try the top level on my neck. It hurt LB :( take it the cracker test was out :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancs Lad Posted December 27, 2006 Report Share Posted December 27, 2006 Do they work on kids........................... Posted this in the for sale section - Seems that people deem it acceptable to give their dogs a good leathering in order to dicipline them. When I have been out I have seen dogs hit with sticks, kicked, ears bent and pinched, punched, faces grabbed and ragged from side to side. So, whats the difference...............?:(................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted December 27, 2006 Report Share Posted December 27, 2006 Seems that people deem it acceptable to give their dogs a good leathering in order to dicipline them. When I have been out I have seen dogs hit with sticks, kicked, ears bent and pinched, punched, faces grabbed and ragged from side to side. So, whats the difference...............?................ This sort of thing happens when the owner loses control and has no part in training dogs. These are the sort of people that definitely shouldn't have an electric dog collar for their dogs. Like most things, if used properly by the right people they are an asset. If not, they are harmful and cruel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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