Mungler Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 Sorrow and sympathy with the family in question but why would you want one of these as a family pet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il cacciatore Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 Excuse my lack of understanding but I thought American Pit Bull Terriers were banned under the Dangerous Dogs Act? My thoughts and sympathies with the family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 I consider myself a "dog person" and subscribe to the principle, that there are no bad dogs, just bad owners. However, it is very hard to justify the ownership of a pit bull, or similar cross terrier (they are rarely true pit bulls). Unless you think it makes you look 'ard, or for protection when you are doing your drug deals. There are so many grey areas surrounding the Dangerous Dogs Act, that its unlikely that anyone will be prosecuted over the death of this little girl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziplex Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 Absolutely no idea.............talking to the missus and daughter about it earlier and as far as i'm concerned dogs of that ilke, if they decide to bite, bite hard and usually don't let up. I was bitten through the back of my hand..well nipped more like by one of my springers when the smaller of the three flew off the bed at the largest one waddling in beside me when she was in season and being protective over my daughter, I was only going to ask if she wanted a fryed breakfast! I got bitten whilst trying to seperate them and the resulting pain as a dogs tooth sank into my vein on top of my hand, (cutting the edge of it) and the fatty underside of my thumb was incredible, akin to having a 6" nail driven through your hand i'd imagine. Quite how much pain and shock one of these dogs could deal out must be frightening. Mine were having a tiff, and I grabbed the wrong spot.....my fault entirely, but if a pit bull was intent on having a go at me i'd be very worried Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il cacciatore Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 Checked web site and police have confirmed it was a American Pit Bull Terrier banned by the Dangerous Dog Act 1991. Apologies as when I heard the news story I automatically thought they had made a mistake. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/6225205.stm The owner is liable according to the bbc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 a terrible thing to happen and my heart goes out to the parents.it seems dogs like these are the preserve of those less blessed in the brain dept. pit bulls are seen as a badge of hardness by the numbskulls.tattoos,piercings,pit bull with spiked collar and straining on its chain.a number of properties i visit have these dogs,mainly as a status symbol or to protect crack dealers,ive been threatened with them when evicting drug dealers.last time the guy kept his locked in the kitchen and they actually chewed/clawed their way through a fire check door. before you shoot me down in flames i am no snob.im pierced,inked and common as muck,difference is i have more than one brain cell so i dont have a dog bred for fighting to the death. I hope she rests in peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 As Cranfield has intimated, I also have often wondered why anyone wants to own dogs of this type, I include in this the Staffordshire bull terrier and English bull terrier. I am by no means a dog specialist. The atrocity has taken place in my home town, the consensus is that the uncle will be prosecuted. I do hope so. Like so much legislation in Britain we have the laws but often fail to effectivley make adequate use of them because they are flawed by weak legal draughtsmanship. I for one shall be writing to my MP, given that one of his constituents have been a tragic victim he may just be persuaded to get off his **** and do a little more than just tow the party line. webber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 But isn't ownership of these dogs a bit of a macho thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 Pit Bull terrier-type dogs (including the oh-so cuddly 'But It's A Staffie!') should all be banned. Only chavs and plebs who like to bathe in the reflected glory of the dog's impressive musculature own such utterly pointless and evil dogs. They serve no purpose in new Labour's crime-free society - they are superfluous, except for use as a weapon. My boss's Golden Retriever pup was killed by a Stafffie last month, whilst it was playing around on a beach. My colleague suffered deeply unpleasant injuries trying to separate the two. A policeman friend of mine could spend all day recounting the dog-related injuries and incidents that have involved Staffies and Pit Bull-type dogs. I'm a dog person, but I am very pro an amendment to the Dangerous Dogs Act. Shoot the dogs, and shoot anyone who owns one or aspires to own one. Both breed of two-legged and four-legged vermin are surplus to requirement........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jonrms Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 When I was younger.. and in america... I had two pit bulls.... one male and one female.. I also had a long haired German shepard... all 3 were lovely and kind and playfull... I always had a tire that was swinging from a tree for them to play with... as they required alot of attention and love.... and they never nipped... bit or was a agressive dog... Tinker and Tanker were the pits names... and Ginger was my shepards name.... My feeling go out to the family.. but as said above its not the dogs fault... it would be the owners.... they should be prosicuted... to the fullest!!!!!! poor dog! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackthorn Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 But isn't ownership of these dogs a bit of a macho thing? only with the *** holes in life, had a staff for ten years, gentle as a lamb round the grand kids, a ******* burglar could come in the house and the big daft ****er would be all over him, as with any other dog its how they are brought on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 I think nurture and nature are equally culpable: a Labrador's natural instinct is to retrieve, a Border Collie's is to herd. A Pit Bull-type dog's instinct is to fight, and when that instinct kicks in and dog locks onto its target, I reckon that instinct rather than training probably wins over in the dog's mind. No matter how much you train a dog to be civilised and disciplined, you can never be sure. I would never, ever trust a dog bred for a such a singularly unpleasant purpose around my family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il cacciatore Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 This might be entirely incorrect but weren't Bull Terrier variants bred to be docile towards humans but for ferocity against other dogs? Otherwise how could you stop a dog fight if they would equally attack you? Just something I read, might not be right enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gibby Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 Its not just these types of dogs that are prone to attack. If any dog is brought up the wrong way, neglected or abused it to will be a danger to society. They are commenting on making it mandatory for all dogs to be licensed... Just wandering peoples views on that? Gibby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il cacciatore Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 Fail to see how more legislation will help matters as to own one of these dogs was already illegal and prohibited by law but obviously they have still been breeding and raising them anyhow in complete disregard for the law. There are too many dogs to make a system like that workable imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 jonrms,no offence and not looking to pick a fight but poor dog my ***. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devon Fox Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 Staffs are lovely dogs and should not not be put in the same category as pit bulls, my father in law has bred them for many years and they are cracking dogs and great with kids. Do you not think the problem is the owners of said dogs?, i believe that any breed kept and looked after the right way will be ok. The rotty case a while ago was a perfect example, 2 dogs bought to protect a pub, freinds plus kid move in to look after the place covering a holiday, leave the child unattended where the dogs could get to it, doesnt take a scientist to see the risk/result. leaving young kids with any dog is a risk, i have a gsd, i trust him fully, but when my uncles little girl comes over they play, but i am always there, and make sure if she gets rough i will give her a good telling off, would never leave her alone with him, it isnt worth the risk is it? Just waffling really ..... really sad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackthorn Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 I think nurture and nature are equally culpable: a Labrador's natural instinct is to retrieve, a Border Collie's is to herd. A Pit Bull-type dog's instinct is to fight, and when that instinct kicks in and dog locks onto its target, I reckon that instinct rather than training probably wins over in the dog's mind. No matter how much you train a dog to be civilised and disciplined, you can never be sure. I would never, ever trust a dog bred for a such a singularly unpleasant purpose around my family. i know a lot of people that own staffs with no problems, they are a good dogs, these people are not the big macho type, they just recognize these dogs are full of heart, Ive had moor problems with border collies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jonrms Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 jonrms,no offence and not looking to pick a fight but poor dog my ***. digger, I know what you mean when you typed that... so no fighting will take place... I just feel that if the dog was in the hands of a responsible owner... than I am 99.9% sure that event would have never taken place.. and because it was in the hands of a "other" owner... than its fate was already decided... If that makes any sense.. anyway.. like many things.... I have alot of questions that would require answers before I fully made up my mind on this situation. Ie. where was the dog owner... how was it raised. where was the parents of the girl. most however fall upon the dog owner... understand.. but its like driving a car... if a 10 year old jumps in front of a car.... where are the parents to stop her/him from playing chicken with cars.... then again if that same situation happened and the driver was drunk... yes the focus would be towards the idiot driver.. but lost on the child. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 thanks for the reasoned response john,i agree with your sentiments entirely.the owner should accept more blame than the dog and they have to live with what happened.a knee jerk reaction wont bring her back,educating the owners of such dogs may prevent it from happening again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devon Fox Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 Blame the deed and not the breed i read somewhere? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkshire Pudding Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 Nice one Hot shot .... A voice of reason at long last . Carry on reading the daily mail fella's !!! You wont learn anything but atleast you'll always be right ! :o all the best yis yp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poacher Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 A chap i knew owned a Pit Bull and to its owner it was perfectly friendly and calm, however last summer the dog must have ****** off, he went to reach for something and it went for his arm causing him severe injuries. Dogs or this breed have an inbuilt volatile aggressive nature and should be banned, i'll never own one or go near one for this reason. Even the most calm are unpredictable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 It all depends on the situation at the time, and we will never know exactly what happened. I used to dislike dogs like these, until I met my bosses English Bull. Ok, you can see what it's designed for, but it's ok. The first time I was in the house it kept a close eye on me, even closer when I was playing with his two daughters (4 and 7). The kids batter the dog around, and it loves the attention. Even with the spotless record the dog has, it's never left alone with the kids. It's not the breed, any dog could kill a small child if it lost it. This arguement is like the antis on guns. Be realistic, and leave the dog alone. "The gun itself isn't the problem, it's the guy holding it"-if you see what I mean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted January 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 Dogs no matter how much they are loved as pets or companions are, less we forget, domesticated animals. Some are however better bred than others for intelligence, obedience and temprament etc What I can't understand (and I share Diggers and Baldrick's sentiments here) is that with so many dogs to choose from as pets only a ****** would chose a pure bred american pitbull as a pet. American pit bull or otherwise, you bring an animal into the home you are responsible for it. If I bought a van load of bear traps home and set them up round the house I might be considered and irresponsible parent - the kids may never actually set one off but hey... I have been brought up round dogs and subscribe to the view that you shouldn't keep a dog, pet or animal unless you can get the better of it if it decided to go postal one day for whatever reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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