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They were carried as a survival gun by bomber crews in ww2 i was advised.this document backs that up.Burma campaign.My old man was told this back in 64 by US navy fellas Based at sandbank. http://www.fourten.org.uk/mwsavage24.html

Good god heres a blast from the past.My old man bought his savage 410/.22 in Crockarts and used it in Argyle before i was born in 64.I used it in the 80's.Loved it on rabbits and roosting pigeons.Wonder if its the same gun???Im in Fife

This is my gun.Selling to make room in the cabinet for another gun coming.Gun has 2 brand new extended briley chokes (full) that set me back £100 .Note--gunwatch is a tad slow .This gun is selling for £600.Considering its in very good condition with 2 new extended chokes its a bargain.

I may be selling mine very son to play with another gun next season.If i do it will be with 2 brileys (full choke extended)

I often say to my mrs and her adult kids that you dont have to like someone to be able to still respect them for the whole of or even just part of their personality neither do you have to dislike them due to a perceived flaw in their personality.None of us are what we think we are .The gift to see ourselves as others see us comes to mind here i feel.He seems to have been a bit of a show off but mind he was a working class fella with a dubious education with nothing else really to be proud of other than what was really a stage show for a very critical following

Had some memorable flights with mine.

All 3 tools thats for resizer cylinder,capper/decapper and rto machine for all size cases.£100 plus post

brileys extended full chokes i bought via chris potter £50 each specially imported(took 6 weeks)

Ive used mine almost exclusively wildfowling and i have heard some comments about the gun being light .More that 45 years of fowling tells me its a very pointable gun and certainly not too light for me despite what some may tell you -- very attractive as a bonus.Ive shot duck ,geese pigeon game ,the lot, since having bought mine.The wood is superb,if you lightly sand it and use teak oil it comes up stunning.Regarding 3.5 shells,does she kick,yes all guns do ,anyone saying otherwise is a cockwomble.But its not painful nor uncomfortable.I use 3" shells mostly as i think patterning is better with them.Extended brileys full and full are what i bought earlier this season to try.Seem to throw tight steel as you would expect but its a busy time of year so i have not pattern tested them.If you want a s/s its a fine gun.The rib is sunken and i like this so if you want a raised rib this is not for you.

i usually check the auctions m8,not found one im enticed by as yet.Id hope to grab hold of a 10 bore percussion.There was a rotary underlever 10 for sale for 500 a while back but the barrels were very thin i was advised.Im after a s/s

Looking for another black powder percussion gun here.Maybe thinking about getting a rotary underlever breech loader for black powder rounds i can load up.

Got to say ive had mine a good few years now and its a damned fine gun for fowling.I just picked up a couple of briley extended full chokes via chris potter and so far one or two tall geese have been impressively floored

Black powder aint that slow Dunks.100/200 FPS lost aint that big a deal at 30 yards and i can tell you from recent experiences that black powder packs a serious punch on game.It pushes BB right thru geese from my percussion 12 at 30 yards or so.

i did wonder.i had been reading up on this "sky chief" fella based in the USA ,preaching the pattern improvements to be gained (allegedly)from using an olive oil soaked felt wad in front of the shot column and i think "FELTWAD" person had commented stating he used percussion guns a lot here in the UK

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Sorry bud im lost.Consider it an age related brain trump moment .

Lancer lad,i was having a wind up at all the egos that like to boast about their collection of guns m8.I have no idea a all what you are dribbling about.Are you truly going to tell me you did not realise i was winding up the boasting fraternity on this site?Quite worrying.

I like shooting duck with all 25 of my 12 bores and also with my 19 ten bores but occasionally i take out one of my three 8 bores.Once in a blue moon one of my 4 bores comes out.I of course transport them in one of my 4x4 cars but often find that my new model range rover suits my needs best .If there is a lot of snow i find my snow mobile is useful across the fields and one of my ten bores is easily carried on my back .i have on one occasion decided to leave the snow mobile on the field as a sudden thaw meant the snow melted.I did not bother retrieving it as i found it easier to buy another one.

an old fella that used to take me out when i was a lad was just on the phone desperate for a brace of rabbits for a casserole.Anyone in Fife got a couple of bunnies i can buy for this old fella?

The fact that when buying older guns like these its similar to the second hand car market and the industry is full of dodgy Aurthur Daleys😁

cheers, that was well worth a watch

Bill is that you?

agreed 100% .Its a learning curve but one i embrace whole heartedly.Tests me all over again this black powder muzzle loading just as wildfowling did when i was a boy

In the half light of the dawn when the noise of the day seems to be reaching out to even the more secluded spots along the shoreline I tend to sit and check,then recheck the nipples have their percussion caps still in place as they can slip off or be nudged off by vegetation when navigating your way through the reed beds ,quite easily i might add .Its difficult to see your loading gear ,but not impossible,This is where planning and practice comes in for sure.Plenty pockets in your coat is a good thing and nothing carried that's not essential.No clutter.I have wads in the left lower pocket with phials of small shot in the left upper side pocket.My right side lower pocket has the BB shot,also in phials ,ready to be used as individual loads when required .The upper right side pocket has phials of black powder.each one done before leaving home.In my gamebag there is a smaller waterproof velcro sealed water proof carrybag(used to have yacht flares in it).This has the shot flask with small shot inside.A powder flask with black powder inside ready to decant into phials as and when i have need to replenish my pockets.Various items from plastic funnel to powder measures lie underneath the fold up base inside the bag so i have everything i could possibly need. Sat with both hammers at half cock you sit with your thumb on the right hammer waiting till you have need to bring it to full cock.Its so tempting to lift the gun on the skeins that whiffle over to the fields in search of their goose breakfasts but you ignore them ,instead concentrating on the ones elsewhere over the horizon ,the low skein,the one that will surely come over if you have patience to sit like a stone.Thats what you wait for.As time passes and you finally see a skein lower than the rest you know its time to get those hammer right back,both of them not just one ,in case you forget the hammers not cocked and pull on a dead trigger.As the geese pass over you note they are a good height but not too high.30 yards or maybe 35 is a good range.You Line up a goose to the side with both hammers now fully cocked from their half cocked position, you give the bird some lead and of course swing through and let go your first shot.The subsequent whoomph and massive discharge of smoke leaves you blinded for a second ,its mesmerising ,and of course you are left debating the need for that second barrel but after a few shots with black powder you know the time frame and follow the bird subconsciously through the smoke so that when its visible (or not if and its dropped ) again you can offer up a second barrel.Ive found fowling with the muzzle loader to be a severe test of my fieldcraft and i enjoy it immensely.The reload that takes place after both barrels are fired can be one of two things.either fast and focused ready for another go,everything in its correct location and practiced like in an army drill over and over till its as seamless and efficient as possible ignoring absolutely everything around you till the reload is done safely --Or,alternatively, if the birds down,and like myself its quality not quantity you seek ,you retrieve the prize lay the bird by your gamebag ,open up the coffee flask and drink.The reload can be done in a minute --or two or maybe 5 --who cares i have my dinner sorted

aye its a pedersoli 12 bore(13 bore) from the 70's i reckon.Handles remarkably well.Ive had some wildfowl with the gun this year,hopefully more to come.Id love a double 8 but finding one thats as safe as you could hope for is difficult indeed on a budget.You need to be willing to shell out a fair amount and hope the mrs does not smother you in your sleep.My other half howled up the stairs the other morning "what is that aweful smell?".I told her it was the powder but i still think she feels i had a bad guts and was not being truthful.