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Jim Neal

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  1. Just out of interest, why not pull the trigger yourself?
  2. I agree in principle, out of respect for the quarry and the general philosophy that nothing should be wasted. However it's simply a supply vs demand issue when it comes to getting pigeons into human bellies! I think if we're all honest with ourselves, on a national scale even if pigeons were only ever shot whilst directly attacking crops there would be a massive amount more dead pigeons than human appetite for eating them. And then you add on all the ones shot by "recreational" shooting.......What percentage of shot pigeons, nationally, would anyone like to guess are fed into the human food chain via game dealers or given away by the shooter? I'd wager it's not above 1% OK, shooters keep back a certain number as decoys for their next trip; one or two might be a bit mangled and chucked; Many folks, myself included, will breast out a decent amount to feed their dogs. But that doesn't make up the shortfall. Where do all those other shot pigeons go? Most people share the opinion that waste is not good. So to dispose of shot pigeons by chucking them under a hedge is not "ideal" but they don't exactly sit there and rot do they? There will be many kinds of creatures that will say thank you very much for the free meal, so it isn't really going to waste at all. Perhaps temporarily skewing the food chain a little, but not exactly a crime in my books. And I'm not defending my own actions here, I can't remember the last time I dumped a pigeon (I don't even dump corvids, they go to my mate's ferrets), but I don't shoot big bags over decoys so I don't have the problem. We must remember that as great as this forum is, pigeon watch is not representative of the whole pigeon shooting fraternity nationwide. We're just a sample. There may be a bias towards certain ways of thinking that doesn't accurately reflect the whole of the sport nationally. I think this debate all boils down to there being two motivations for shooting pigeons: 1) Genuine need for crop protection and 2) To simply enjoy the sport. It's not illegal (yet) to "enjoy" pigeon shooting so as long as the net result is the reduction of an agricultural pest that costs farmers millions of pounds a year I don't see a reason it should be frowned upon if someone can't guarantee all of their bag is going to be eaten.
  3. On a completely unrelated note, does anyone need any bricks laying? I'll need to get there quick....
  4. Ouch! At what range were you shooting from? Gets you thinking more serious about safety when something like that happens. Did it bounce off the actual target or was it a miss that ricocheted off something else? Looking at your setup, I'm mystified what could be solid enough to ricochet, it all looks pretty soft and squishy, is it wood chippings or similar? Our syndicate was having a knock-around clay day a few years ago. One of the invitees took the stand, loaded his gun and when he closed it....BANG! That was scary. Good job he was handling the gun in a safe manner and it was pointing downrange. "Oh yeah it does that sometimes" he says!!!!!!!!
  5. You could also flip that on its head and say Brexit is the perfect scapegoat for Covid!
  6. Fit two outside taps. Fit them with Hozelok adapters, use a short bit of hose off each tap going in to a Y connector, then a single hose to a spray gun. Probably £30 worth of parts and no bother with freezing, except when very cold you may have to pour some warm water onto the tap bodies to get them flowing. Plus side is it's useful to have the hot outlet for other stuff outside as well 👍
  7. That's an insult to sheep. At least sheep have two useful by-products!
  8. Having a bit of a chuckle to myself reading this thread So far it seems only one person commenting on this topic freely admits to any experience of smoking cannabis, but there's plenty of people jumping to some massive incorrect conclusions! The problem is this: People who haven't experienced cannabis wrongly assume that its effects on the body and mind are the same as alcohol. Hence, they are very quick to demonise the thought of someone operating a firearm whilst under the influence. Alcohol taken in excess makes your reactions slower, impairs your judgement, reduces inhibitions and lessens your ability to control your physical self. Cannabis works differently. Yes, it can definitely be used to a point where you shouldn't be handling guns or operating dangerous machinery but you really need to be properly whacked out on it to get to that level. I'd personally be no less happy shooting in the company of someone who's had a couple of puffs on a joint than someone who's been taking a few slugs of sloe gin... a practice which is "traditional" and positively encouraged within traditional shooting culture! I used to enjoy smoking a bit in my younger years. I would drive absolutely fine and sensibly, meet people, interact socially in a perfectly normal manner... strictly in my own time, I was dead straight at work... it's just a cultural thing amongst the younger generation that you pass a joint around in company or have a few puffs when you're on your own. I never murdered any babies or mugged any old grannies. I actually packed in smoking the stuff because I was suffering with pretty bad back and knee pain due to my work; contrary to a lot of peoples' experiences it actually amplified the pain rather than alleviated it! I'm not sure if the OP is referring to cannabis use in regards of "smoking a joint" or the use of the cannabis oil type of products which are promoted for relief of pain and neurological conditions? The oil is most definitely not like the alcohol equivalent of downing shots, it's more like nursing a half of shandy. I think there's at least as much danger from socially acceptable prescription medication, in terms of affecting peoples' ability to operate vehicles/machinery/firearms. Tramadol anyone?
  9. 😂 have you been wine tasting again this evening? 😅
  10. I'd like to pick up on a point mentioned previously which hasn't really had any further discussion. I'm wondering if there is a viable, as yet untapped market to supply pigeon meat to falconers. I wonder, are there any members on here who are falconers and could shed some light on a few things? What are the most commonly kept species of hawk? How much weight of meat per week would those typical hawks consume? Can you feed a hawk solely on one meat such as pigeon or does it need a more diverse diet? Do you just chuck a dead pigeon into the hawk's kennel? (I know 😁) Or do you have to breast it out? I'd presume meat that's been frozen then defrosted is OK for hawks? What is the usual way currently that falconers supply food to their birds? And at what sort of cost per week/month? Obviously pigeons for this purpose need to be shot with non toxic ammo. I wonder if there's not really much supply of pigeons into falconry simply because 99% of us still prefer to shoot with lead. Or if the market simply isn't there so nobody bothers? With the dwindling number of outlets for pigeon going into the human food chain, something's got to change. Another random thought, I seem to remember reading the ingredients on a can of dog "meat" and it basically only contains about 5% actual meat! I'm sure the "meat" is all the waste etc after the prime cuts are taken for human consumption, but could there not be a market for pigeon here too? Why not for pretty much all kinds of "meat" based pet food? Maybe the sticking point is that if you buy shot birds from people on a commercial scale, you can't always rely on them being truthful saying they're taken with non-toxic? Birds given from one friend to another as a favour or in exchange for beer tokens is a completely different kettle of fish - you wouldn't risk poisoning your mate's harris hawk by telling lies about the ammo you used, but once the dosh has changed hands at a dealer's you're off down the road with it. What's the major obstacle to getting pigeons into the animal food chain? (this is branching off into another topic of discussion but I haven't got time to go there at the moment....)
  11. My theory on that is they take the leaves simply for their moisture. A bird's crop full of grains of cereal must be the human equivalent of trying to eat a dry cream cracker without having a drink! I watch pheasants doing it in the pens, hacking bits off the leaves of the low vegetation. It's not that they're lacking food, they're wading around in it.
  12. If that had been me caught with my pants down, I'd have dropped all of my chokes in the mud along with my cartridges, eventually fumbled a shell into the wrong barrel after first trying to put it in the wrong end first, and then missed! You were cool as a cucumber there mate 👍
  13. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/46401558 Not sure if the details in this have been superseded or not..
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