PaulABF Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 I currently own a .17HMR with a 21" barrel. I'm considering getting it chopped at Weldon Gun Room down to 14". Is there any problems I should be aware of and has anyone had a barrel chop at Weldon? What sort of cost would I be looking at? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macca Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 Hi, why do you want to cut the barrel. Out here I believe a 14 inch barrel is illegal for a rifle. Also for a rimfire rifle you need 16 inches of barrel to get full benefit from the powder charge. Finally it would look ugly and out of proportion. If you want to put a can on the front get it cut and threaded at 18 or 19 inches. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markm Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 why do you want to cut the barrel makes it much easier when shooting out of a vehicle. Out here I believe a 14 inch barrel is illegal for a rifle. No it's not in the UK Also for a rimfire rifle you need 16 inches of barrel to get full benefit from the powder charge. Yes but the difference in fps is not that big, only need to clean the mod more often Finally it would look ugly and out of proportion CZ do a 16 inch and prob sell 2:1 against 21 inch anchultz (spelling) sell them from the factory at 14" If you want to put a can on the front get it cut and threaded at 18 or 19 inches. Cheers still add on at least 4 inches for cheaper rf mod. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 (edited) I currently own a .17HMR with a 21" barrel. I'm considering getting it chopped at Weldon Gun Room down to 14". Is there any problems I should be aware of and has anyone had a barrel chop at Weldon? What sort of cost would I be looking at? Thanks. I had my Quad chopped at Weldon down to 14" Think i paid £40 but remember my barrel just pops off yours may cost more very quick turnaround I havnt had any problems and as markm said anschultz do a factory 14" and theirs is ok..... shaun PS there is a pic of mine in the for sale section and its not ugly! Edited January 27, 2010 by shaun4860 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 I'm not sure I'd go down to 14" with a HMR. My CZ was 16" and with a SAK it was quite usable. Have you looked at Varmint Als page on the HMR? He's done a chart of velocity loss for each inch off of his barrel and it's worth a look if you haven't seen it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulABF Posted January 27, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 I've just had a look at Varmint Al's website. Fascinating reading to be honest and an extremely comprehensive view of the .17HMR. I looked at his barrel length versus FPS chart. The difference between the 21" and 14" barrel's fps is only 90 fps. Even with a 14" barrel I'd still be achieving 2432 fps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevethevanman Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 (edited) I would say going down to 16" is fine, I was in to minds as to what to do with getitng my next HMR, but went for 16"..it has 0.1" more drop than the 20"...and about 300fps less than the 20". But just to put that in prespective, the velocity differance between remington and hornady ammo in the 20" is that much anyway I use hornadys now on the 16"..very accurate Doesant manage to be as accurate as my 20" which my son will shoot almost bullet on bullet groups at 50yds It opens to about 1/2-3/4" at 50yds, definately not as accurate, but sitll within a rabbit at 150yds Also below 16" is still very much legal, I looked at a 12" annie ..but by that time you relaly are loosing loads of performance Steve Edited January 27, 2010 by stevethevanman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CZ550Kevlar Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 I remember a post on here somewhere about a study on accuracy, velocity etc and there was an apparent optimum length stated which to be really helpful i can`t remember but i know it is on the forum somewhere, mine was cut to 18" screwcut then moderator which still made it comfortable to shoot from a vehicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 (edited) I currently own a .17HMR with a 21" barrel. I'm considering getting it chopped at Weldon Gun Room down to 14". Is there any problems I should be aware of and has anyone had a barrel chop at Weldon? What sort of cost would I be looking at? Thanks. I'b be interested to hear what you settle for and what your opinions are after the chop, performance wise. Mine is full length CZ Silhouette HMR and I do find it a little long (especially with a Scirroco on the end). I just bought a new .22WMR and had that chopped to 19", it works well and I was thinking about doing the same to the HMR!! My last .22WMR was 16", and whilst it was short and easy to use, even with a Sako mod, it did seem a bit slow, 1" groups at 100yards though still!! This will be a WMR American with 16" and Sako mod!! Edited January 28, 2010 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulABF Posted January 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 Thanks for all your replies guys. I've mulled it over and I think I'm going to go with the 16" option. Cost wise, am I right in thinking about £40 (more if I want it proofed, but that only applies if I sell it on?), £50 if I want it crowned? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markm Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 Shaun had his cut and threaded for what he paid (£40). The barrel must be crowned and should be included as it will not be accurate otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 bearing in mind the proof issue and cost of chopping it and it will be more than that as his was a quad so the barrel just drops off, why don't you see if you can sell it and buy one off the peg with a shortened barrel, my inkling is with an HMR it will be cheaper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulABF Posted January 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 If it's £40 all in then it'll be worth it. The rifle was second hand to me and a fraction of the new cost. Not too bothered about proofing as I don't intend selling it. Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 call a few bet its not £40 to cut it and re screw cut it, you can't get them screwcut for that round here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulABF Posted January 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 you can't get them screwcut for that round here Good job I don't live there then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 Al4x is right, £40 for a screwcut is very cheap. Having said that if their workmanship is ok and that's what they charge than make the most of it because it's a bargain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 call a few bet its not £40 to cut it and re screw cut it, you can't get them screwcut for that round here I paid £40.......but as i said its a Sako Quad so the barrel just pops off. You cant fault their workmanship.....on site gunsmith and workshop.....Weldon Gun Room. shaun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJLeslie Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 (edited) I read a Pete Moore review of a 16" cz hmr in a mag a few years ago and he said the shorter barrels were choked slightly to improve accuracy. He also did not recomend getting them chopped either, just buy a 16". The barrel must be re-crowned as even a small scratch in the crown of a rifle can affect accuracy. Edited January 28, 2010 by DJLeslie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 £40 sounds a bit cheap I would be tempted to speak to anyone else who has had theirs done there, if they are fine then grab yourself a bargain. I am trying to imagine why you would offer a chop without a re-crown - surely it would be fairly useless without? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markm Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 £40 sounds a bit cheap I would be tempted to speak to anyone else who has had theirs done there, if they are fine then grab yourself a bargain.I am trying to imagine why you would offer a chop without a re-crown - surely it would be fairly useless without? The gun shop he is talking about is very good, they have all the machines in view and the owner was trained in London. They do everything, from stock adjusting to hot blueing on site (you can see them working on guns when in the shop). They have permission to do repairs to guns under g'tee from GMK (done my teknys), Browning & E Bros (recrowned my remington 597). Whilst I have not had any guns shortened there another friend had his remington 243 (which he bought from them) cut down whilst he waited and all fine. What is wrong with good service at a good price? You will probably find you will also not get the work done straight away as they have large backlogs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 thank f888 for that i thought from the title he was saying he was gonna be circumsised! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 What is wrong with good service at a good price? You will probably find you will also not get the work done straight away as they have large backlogs Nothing, that is why I said - if they are fine then grab yourself a bargain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 I read a Pete Moore review of a 16" cz hmr in a mag a few years ago and he said the shorter barrels were choked slightly to improve accuracy. He also did not recomend getting them chopped either, just buy a 16". The barrel must be re-crowned as even a small scratch in the crown of a rifle can affect accuracy. Don't know the article.... and a FEW years ago, so obviously not talking about the CZ silhouette in HMR. This barrel is NOT choked, it's impossible, CZ currently make them all the same full length and them chop them before Blueing/finishing, this barrel cannot therefore be choked in 16" form direct from the factory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 I think the choking story is just that, a bit of old folklore, I don't know of a single chopped 452 .22 that isn't more accurate than it was before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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