Alecshoots Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 (edited) Firstly I would like to say Hi .... I have just joined and look forward to your forum ....I have just got a renewal form in , I have a co- terminus I have a 12g lanber and a 3 shot semi auto ...on my firearms I have a ruger .22 10 shot semi auto ...so I was thinking of getting something with a bit more power for foxes I have been offered a .22-250 , I was wondering what would be a fair price for this set-up ? Ruger m77 mk11 Hawkeye sporter.... 9x50 luepold scope ...Harris ultralite Bi pod... Butler&Creek sling ..he said the scope mounts were £99....there Is'nt a moderator and I would need to get it screw cut ? Sorry if I'm a bit vague please do'nt be to sore on me many thanks Alec Edited February 17, 2010 by Alecshoots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 Welcome to PW. The 22-250 is an excellent foxing round. Powerfull and flat shooting. Nothing wrong with .222 / .223, but I prefer the 22-250. I used to have a .223 and it was an excellent caliber, but when I tried the 22-250, the difference was far greater. The Ruger 77 is a good, well built rifle. Not sure what price to put on a set up like you've mentioned, but it sounds good. A moderator is a must in my opinion. It cuts down recioil as well as sound. Screw cutting the barrel is around the £50 mark in my area, plus, you would have to get the barrel re-proofed, if you intend selling the rifle in the future. Another good foxing round, if you are allowed it, is the .243. I use one on foxes with excellent results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 Welcome to PW. The 22-250 is an excellent foxing round. Powerfull and flat shooting. Nothing wrong with .222 / .223, but I prefer the 22-250. I used to have a .223 and it was an excellent caliber, but when I tries the 22-250, the difference was far greater. Another good foxing round, if you are allowed it, is the .243. I use one on foxes with excellent results. Can't argue a lot with that, all the calibres you mention are more than a bit useful for fox!! The 22-250 is a bit noisy though, VERY noisy without a mod! .223 has the biggest choice of ammo, and .243 with a 55/58g ballistic tip is awsome on Charlie, and flies very fast and flat too!! You takes your choice....... but just be as careful as you can buying a used 22-250 that the barrel still has some life in it!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeymagic1969 Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 Can't argue a lot with that, all the calibres you mention are more than a bit useful for fox!! The 22-250 is a bit noisy though, VERY noisy without a mod! .223 has the biggest choice of ammo, and .243 with a 55/58g ballistic tip is awsome on Charlie, and flies very fast and flat too!! You takes your choice....... but just be as careful as you can buying a used 22-250 that the barrel still has some life in it!! You think a 22-250 is noisy and suggest a .243 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 You think a 22-250 is noisy and suggest a .243 Try a .270 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeymagic1969 Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 I think the bloke is off his head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSS Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 .22-250 is a brilliant calibre for fox, but without a moderator, you will need someone with you to see if you hit the target. You get a lot of muzzle flash and flip, but with a moderator they are tamed slightly. Make sure you check the barrel bore for wear if its second hand. Have a look on guntrader for the ruger, they are a very well made rifle, I know a chap with 1 in .243 and it is excellent. Oh and welcome to PigeonWatch All the very best, SSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbart Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 You think a 22-250 is noisy and suggest a .243 22-250 IS louder than a 243 ! As for the original question, The barrel will be fine as long as it hasnt had a lot of hot home loads through it and whatever price you pay for it remember to add about £260 ish for scrwcut and mod fitted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeymagic1969 Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 Mine aint - i have a sako 75 with a Jetz on the end and its quieter than the sako 75 i had with a t8 on the end and is quieter than my mates Blazer 243 witha jetz on ( to my ears anyway) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbart Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 Mine aint - i have a sako 75 with a Jetz on the end and its quieter than the sako 75 i had with a t8 on the end and is quieter than my mates Blazer 243 witha jetz on ( to my ears anyway) I am talking unmoderated.. you have a good mod on and this tames the 22-250 massively,try it without in the middle of the night.Everytime my mate fires his(unmoderated) when we are lamping it just makes me swear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alecshoots Posted February 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 Thanks for the reply's guys......I will be getting it screw cut and a moderator fitted but what about prices ? I can get the lot for £500 excluding moderator & cut .....is this a fair price ?? thanks Alec Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSS Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 That seems a decent enough price for what you are getting. Cant go wrong, hope it serves you well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 (edited) You think a 22-250 is noisy and suggest a .243 Put them side by side and you will find the 22-250 is louder!! Edited February 18, 2010 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6br Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 .22/250 v .243 both moderated they is nowt in it, having had 3 of each over the years all moderated, but prefer the .243 mine shoots a 58gr v-max at 3900 fps into 3/8 at 100 yards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colster Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 .22/250 v .243 both moderated they is nowt in it, having had 3 of each over the years all moderated, but prefer the .243 mine shoots a 58gr v-max at 3900 fps into 3/8 at 100 yards. He was talking about the difference between the two when un-moderated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6br Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 I don't know many people who use a .22/250 or .243 at night for serious fox control or in the day for that matter that get used without a moderator fitted, I value my hearing to much. but my .243 is louder then a.22/250 as it uses 6.1/2 grains more powder and is around 400 fps faster 22/250 3600 fps with 55gr noslers .243 with 55gr noslers 4000 fps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 £500 aint too bad, you might want to opt for a 243 tho if you want to shoot deer at a later date. my 22'250 has just had a mod fitted and it really does help a lot, yhe problem with them is that its a necked down 250 savage round and there's a bit too much powder in there for it's own good, that's why "unmoderated" 22/250's will give a lot of muzzle flash and flip. i recently enquired about a variation for a 6.5x55 but didn't have much luck, so i'm now experimenting with ammo for the winnie. anyone recommend a slow expanding round for muntjack? not using hornady 50gr as they seem to expand on impact, had a nasty experience with one not long back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rem223 Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 anyone recommend a slow expanding round for muntjack? not using hornady 50gr as they seem to expand on impact, had a nasty experience with one not long back. For that specific use I would give the Speer 52gr match hollow points a go. They will expand but not as violently as the Hornady Vmax or SPSX. They are also pretty cheap. Personally I would be wary of used 22-250 without having it checked with a borescope. It is a good price, but if you find it needs a new barrel it will work out a costly proposition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggone Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 For that specific use I would give the Speer 52gr match hollow points a go. They will expand but not as violently as the Hornady Vmax or SPSX. They are also pretty cheap. Personally I would be wary of used 22-250 without having it checked with a borescope. It is a good price, but if you find it needs a new barrel it will work out a costly proposition. Completely agree, I knackered a Ruger 77 MK2 heavy barrel with only 2500 rounds, 55gn Federal soft nose factory loads. Went off gradually for a start, then suddenly started spraying bullets anywhere, 6" groups at 100 yds. Scrapped that and bought a 2nd hand rem 700 VSSF, never did get a decent group out of that!! Decided to buy new after that, and ended up with a Steyr SSG, lovely tight groups again at last. I would definitely try any 2nd hand gun for grouping, and be very suspicious if it's not made possible for you to do so. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alecshoots Posted February 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 (edited) Completely agree, I knackered a Ruger 77 MK2 heavy barrel with only 2500 rounds, 55gn Federal soft nose factory loads.Went off gradually for a start, then suddenly started spraying bullets anywhere, 6" groups at 100 yds. Scrapped that and bought a 2nd hand rem 700 VSSF, never did get a decent group out of that!! Decided to buy new after that, and ended up with a Steyr SSG, lovely tight groups again at last. I would definitely try any 2nd hand gun for grouping, and be very suspicious if it's not made possible for you to do so. Andy I'm buying the gun off my local firearms dealer ( who is also a m8 ) so I think it should be ok ...I'm getting it at a fair price because he took it in for storage 4!1/2 yrs ago and he's left numerous messages for the owner but has never received any replies so he is owed X amount for storage ...hence the fair price would you reccomend the speer 52gr hollowpoints for this rifle then? I have seen this rifle and the laminate stock etc is in excellent condition ..which kind of gives me the impression its been looked after ...touch wood Edited February 19, 2010 by Alecshoots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inthedark Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 Try different types / weights of ammo til you find one that it likes mate. Keep all your empties for when you start re loading! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggone Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 I'm buying the gun off my local firearms dealer ( who is also a m8 ) so I think it should be ok ...I'm getting it at a fair price because he took it in for storage 4!1/2 yrs ago and he's left numerous messages for the owner but has never received any replies so he is owed X amount for storage ...hence the fair price would you reccomend the speer 52gr hollowpoints for this rifle then? I have seen this rifle and the laminate stock etc is in excellent condition ..which kind of gives me the impression its been looked after ...touch wood The external condition doesn't bear any correllation to how it shoots, try it first, otherwise you'll have to get a variation to get rid and replace it if it's shot out. The Remmy I bought was immaculate to look at, but what a heap of **** it was. I use 50 gn CT silvertips (homeloads). About 3850 fps and very flat and consistent. It's a poly coated bullet, (lubricated). I've shot all sorts and if the gun is doing what it should any bullet will give you 200yd fox accuracy, but eventually we all strive to shoot that bit further and still be accurate, which is where home loading comes in. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rem223 Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 (edited) If the dealer is a friend I would see if he will allow you to fire some groups with it. A couple of five shot groups will soon show up it it has a problem. You need to take plenty of time with the groups to allow the barrel to cool between shots. 22-250's get hot very quickly. A friend used to have a Remington BDL with a sporter barrel. It ended up being used at a range and the barrel got too hot to touch on a couple of occasions. Not long after that the barrel went downhill fast. I doubt this had more than 500 rounds through it. If used sensibly the barrels last for years but when abused they deteriorate rapidly. It would fire a couple of shots accurately then like Doggone said it would start spraying them around. It is probably fine as not too many people shoot a 22-250 at target ranges just be aware that they can wear out barrels rapidly if misused. The Speer bullet comment was for Gram71's benefit specifically. He wanted something that wouldn't expand rapidly for muntjac. If I was shooting the 22-250 on fox I would stick with 55gr or 50gr Hornady Vmax or Nosler ballistic tips you want these to expand rapidly. Edited February 19, 2010 by Rem223 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 Ballistic tips are fine for fox, used norma 50gr hornady and i'm getting good groups, not ok for bigger prey though as there's quite a bit of muscle to get through compared to a fox. I can heartily vouch for them getting hot quick, a very noticeable heat shimmer coming off the moderator after 10 rounds! I had to put her down and let her cool off as i had problems seeing my target board. should've held out for a 243 or 6.5x55, nevermind eh, good luck with the gun chap, happy shootin' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alecshoots Posted February 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 thanks for the replies and avice guys ...was wondering how far away would you put your target? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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