Outside water and electricity

[debaser]

Bit of help please,

 

I'm planning on running electricity to my little field, I'm happy with the armored cable etc, but if I'm gonna dig up the garden any way, I was thinking of running water as well.

 

So the question is, is it just a case of standard copper pipe for 25 meters or so and can it be in the same trench as the armored cable?

 

Ta

 

Dan

[holly]

i wouldnt use copper use alcothene (blue plastic type of stuff )

[shot shot]

i wouldnt use copper use alcothene (blue plastic type of stuff )

dont use copper!

 

and yes, it can be used in the same pipe

[-oXo-]

Yeah they are fine together. Pop over to a builders merchant and grab some blue pipe though dont use copper. Also bury it properly like 300-500 down so there is no chance of freezing the water or you putting a fork through either.

 

Also be carefull when digging incase you come across any hidden bunkers.

Edited March 13, 2010 by -oXo-

[Andy H]

I think there are some new regulations about running mains power outside now, something about having it inspected and to a certain standard.

[shot shot]

I think there are some new regulations about running mains power outside now, something about having it inspected and to a certain standard.

Only if it's wired into the fusebox (IIRC)

 

stick a 13a plug on the end, and bobs your uncle

[DSPUK]

I had my power dropped from pole fed to underground - had to go down 600mm and use duct and warning tape on top.

 

If you use a plug on end get a breaker socket to plug it into.

 

Dave

Edited March 13, 2010 by DSPUK

[beerdeor]

Only if it's wired into the fusebox (IIRC)

 

stick a 13a plug on the end, and bobs your uncle

 

Wrong any electrics outside in a kitchen or bathroom legally has to be fitted by and signed off by a competant person qualified to a minuim of part P

or you can submit plans to your local building control dept and if passed they will send somebody out to check the work has been carried out to local regs ,at your cast of course

Hope this helps

Jim

[V8landy]

Get yourself a reel of old colour wires (red and black) and then you have done it before Part P came in :lol:

[debaser]

Thanks for all the replies,

 

much appreciated.

 

Ta

 

Dan

[HW682]

Are you aware of the hazard with exporting a TNC-S (PME) earth into a wet field?

Do you know how you are going to terminate the armour - and separate earth core if used - at each end of the cable?

Do you know how to install and test an earth rod?

 

If the answers are yes, then I hope you don't mind me asking - better safe than sorry.

If the answers are no, then please look into it and get the help of someone who does.

 

You could just install it like a giant extension lead and probably get away with it, but there is a real risk that one day you will find the "earth" in your field is significantly different to the true local earth and then no fuse or RCD will help. Also remember that animals are even more sensitive than humans.

 

HW682

[AndyBaz]

well said hw682, keep us sparkies in business and end users alive!

[Yellow Bear]

Also water needs to be minimum 600mm deep to avoid freezing.

 

D

[digger]

If you bury a standard cable it will seep power so at the end you will lose power if that makes sense. The longer the cable the worse the performance. Poly pipe for the water, before you back fill lay sand over the pipes, easier to locate and prevents stones piercing it.

[Guinea Fowl]

Also water needs to be minimum 600mm deep to avoid freezing.

 

D

 

According to water regs , water fittings laid below ground must be deep enough to prevent freezing. That is at least 750mm depth of cover, also not any deeper then 1350mm.

 

Having it at that depth will protect it from mechanical and other damage.

 

If you are not connected to a main water supply (meaning if you have a private supply), then water regs don`t apply to you in any way shape or form, but it`s still good system design to do it the proper way.

 

Go look up "water supply (water fittings) regulations 1999and look up schedule 2.

[V8landy]

25 meters ?

 

Depending on the route, 25m does not necessarily have to be buried or does it? the poster is not talking 250m!

 

This distance is just in effect a long extension?! So can you not just attach to a fence and run the pie and SWA cable?

 

Water, yes in winter you would need to drain down before it freezes, but I find blue pipe is very hard to burst from frost.

 

And SWA is designed to be outdoors?

[starlight32]

Depending on the route, 25m does not necessarily have to be buried or does it? the poster is not talking 250m!

 

This distance is just in effect a long extension?! So can you not just attach to a fence and run the pie and SWA cable?

 

Water, yes in winter you would need to drain down before it freezes, but I find blue pipe is very hard to burst from frost.

 

And SWA is designed to be outdoors?

 

I agree with the post above..........

 

 

If it is on your land I would'nt worry too much, I mean if the water pipe freezes to the drinking trough it wont be the end of the world will it ?just an inconvenience.

 

Same as the electricity supply, the only person likely to hit it after burying it is likey to be you and you are not going to do that as you know its there don't you?

 

It amazes me how people on here make a mountain out of a molehill when it comes to doing a job like this and end up wanting to turn it into a full 'construction,design and management project'............

Edited March 15, 2010 by starlight32

[Guinea Fowl]

I agree with the post above..........

 

 

If it is on your land I would'nt worry too much, I mean if the water pipe freezes to the drinking trough it wont be the end of the world will it ?just an inconvenience.

 

Same as the electricity supply, the only person likely to hit it after burying it is likey to be you and you are not going to do that as you know its there don't you?

 

It amazes me how people on here make a mountain out of a molehill when it comes to doing a job like this and end up wanting to turn it into a full 'construction,design and management project'............

 

I agree with you too, I also prefer common sense and not to make a mountain out of a molehill, Ill probably do it your way, But when I give advice over a public forum and not knowing the full details like whether it`s private supply or supplied by an undertaker, Ill first try to give the right and legal way first before the easy way

[tomhw100]

If you bury a standard cable it will seep power so at the end you will lose power if that makes sense. The longer the cable the worse the performance. Poly pipe for the water, before you back fill lay sand over the pipes, easier to locate and prevents stones piercing it.

 

You mean volt drop!