oneshotkiller Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 Long story short lost my rabbiting permission on a farm , farmers basically rented it out to a syndicate and they have guys who will do the pest control to a better standard than me because they have F.A.C , their shoot captains words not mine :blink: Absolutely gutted dunno really what to do from here , on the one hand i feel like jacking it in on the other i feel like nows the time to push and try and find a shoot that would be suitable for a rim fire :unsure: Dunno really how to go about trying to approach the farmer to see if I can apply for my F.A.C so any advice lads ?? O.S.K :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 That's a tough one mate, sorry to hear that. I'd just go out on a search for more land. Perhaps even ask your chap who just let you go if he'd be prepared to give you a reference if anyone asks? Money pulls a lot of strings these days and if your land owner is getting paid by someone else for sole rights then he's going to have to let you go. If he was happy with you before though there's a chance he could help you find more land, otherwise just get door knocking. If you don't have a FAC you don't need land to prove a need for your guns. Just chuck them in the wardrobe and await the next chance that comes along. I've always worried about losing land, which is why I always chase whatever I can get. Even if I lose a couple I've still got enough to keep me going and that's what you should aim to do too. Never keep all your eggs in one basket. :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneshotkiller Posted June 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 Thanks for the advice , will ask the farmer for a reference when i see him , i was thinking about maybe dipping my hand in my pocket to see if i could secure myself some shooting ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluke2 Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 Thanks for the advice , will ask the farmer for a reference when i see him , i was thinking about maybe dipping my hand in my pocket to see if i could secure myself some shooting ? I put an advert in the sporting gun offering up to 500 quid a year for rough shooting within 100 miles of my address (got sick of door knocking)ended up in a cracking syndicate in scotland with full use of a caravan (think pigsty)for 300 a year off the ad and been there 4 yr now and pay in 3 instalments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneshotkiller Posted June 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 I think i could probably stretch to about 350-400 quid a year , would that be fair to offer a farmer for some rough shooting ? Would it be right to mention from the off that i wanted to put in for a F.A.C :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roundy Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 What about getting the farmer to "give" you permission so you can get the FAC (he will be feeling a little guilty). Then makes you more sell'able to a new land owner...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneshotkiller Posted June 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 What about getting the farmer to "give" you permission so you can get the FAC (he will be feeling a little guilty). Then makes you more sell'able to a new land owner...? Is that legal mate :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegleg31 Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 if you can hang on a little i can have a word with the GF cousin she has a race yard near grantham.they have a rabbit problem and i know they have a couple ferret it but no one really shoot's it other than me.and it's too far for me to go regulary. i can't do anything quickly as they are having a few personal problem's at the minute but first chance i get i'll ask for you :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneshotkiller Posted June 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 if you can hang on a little i can have a word with the GF cousin she has a race yard near grantham.they have a rabbit problem and i know they have a couple ferret it but no one really shoot's it other than me.and it's too far for me to go regulary. i can't do anything quickly as they are having a few personal problem's at the minute but first chance i get i'll ask for you :unsure: I'd appreciate that mate , i'm in no rush so when ever you get chance to have a word would be great :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roundy Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 What about getting the farmer to "give" you permission so you can get the FAC (he will be feeling a little guilty). Then makes you more sell'able to a new land owner...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 I would start knocking on doors and use the Farmer as a reference, he might even be able to suggest a few doors you can knock on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 Hmm I know nothing about this, but I would look into asking farmer about FAC clearance and any contacts he may have and also stay on good terms it wont take much to make him feel the £ he gets aren't worth the agro. Look at like this. Pests cost the farmer £ Pest controllers cost ££ free pest control saves £ people paying to do pest control means £££ for farmer, one slip up, issue or trampled crop field or lost livestock and farmer has -£££. If your paying some to control pests you have total control, If they do it for free you have most control, if they are paying you? They could never turn up or turn every night in droves and pee farmer off. Most farmers dont like strnagers on their ground especially round livestock and buildings he may think he is getting money for old rope, but you never know when you need a bit of rope... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the running man Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 Hmm I know nothing about this, but I would look into asking farmer about FAC clearance and any contacts he may have and also stay on good terms it wont take much to make him feel the £ he gets aren't worth the agro. Look at like this. Pests cost the farmer £ Pest controllers cost ££ free pest control saves £ people paying to do pest control means £££ for farmer, one slip up, issue or trampled crop field or lost livestock and farmer has -£££. If your paying some to control pests you have total control, If they do it for free you have most control, if they are paying you? They could never turn up or turn every night in droves and pee farmer off. Most farmers dont like strnagers on their ground especially round livestock and buildings he may think he is getting money for old rope, but you never know when you need a bit of rope... when people start payin farmers to shoot on their land other people get squeezed out,the relationship we all know which has existed between farmer and shooter evaporates,the trust that is built up should count for something? But alas where money is involved it seems not. Hdav is right with a syndicate the farmer will have people there anytime and he won't know them,if something goes wrong like a water trove is shot not one of them will admit it,this could be you're road back in! Good luck with new land I've some spare 3000 acres in bridport I can't get to a lot u can have that if ure genuinely intrested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneshotkiller Posted June 25, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 when people start payin farmers to shoot on their land other people get squeezed out,the relationship we all know which has existed between farmer and shooter evaporates,the trust that is built up should count for something? But alas where money is involved it seems not. Hdav is right with a syndicate the farmer will have people there anytime and he won't know them,if something goes wrong like a water trove is shot not one of them will admit it,this could be you're road back in! Good luck with new land I've some spare 3000 acres in bridport I can't get to a lot u can have that if ure genuinely intrested. That is a very kind offer with the land unfortunately that is just too far out of my area :unsure: ****** ! why couldn't i live near bridport DOH!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 when people start payin farmers to shoot on their land other people get squeezed out,the relationship we all know which has existed between farmer and shooter evaporates,the trust that is built up should count for something? But alas where money is involved it seems not. Hdav is right with a syndicate the farmer will have people there anytime and he won't know them,if something goes wrong like a water trove is shot not one of them will admit it,this could be you're road back in! Good luck with new land I've some spare 3000 acres in bridport I can't get to a lot u can have that if ure genuinely intrested. It will be a game syndicate and yes they pay but its entirely different to vermin control. However keep popping back and try and get on the beaters list, once the shoot know you and you can show you won't be shooting next to pens with birds in etc you may find you'll be invited back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 Hi, There might, just might be one way around this. How about asking the shoot captain if they require any beaters... someone who knows the land. Just a thought. Good luck and keep your wallet in your pocket, something will turn up, it always does. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 It will be a game syndicate and yes they pay but its entirely different to vermin control. However keep popping back and try and get on the beaters list, once the shoot know you and you can show you won't be shooting next to pens with birds in etc you may find you'll be invited back Good point if it is a game syndicate there version of vermin and the farmers may be very different....Wotrh speaking to the shoot captian you may find the people doing the pest control are happy to have you along and help out (good way into FAC as well) are you using none FAC Air? or shotgun? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 (edited) I think i could probably stretch to about 350-400 quid a year , would that be fair to offer a farmer for some rough shooting ? Would it be right to mention from the off that i wanted to put in for a F.A.C :look: Where the **** has this talk of paying for shooting come from? I currently work on around 40 pieces of land, £400 buys you some shooting on one bit, send me the money and I'll sort you out, ......ok 39 pieces of land left at £400 a piece, PM me asap, first come with the money gets them!!...and by the way, it will go up next year!! If you can't be bothered with door knocking and rejection I can help you...get your money out!! Oh yes, and if you are an incompetent **** who doesn't do the job you are off with not refund! Edited June 25, 2010 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneshotkiller Posted June 26, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 26, 2010 Good point if it is a game syndicate there version of vermin and the farmers may be very different....Wotrh speaking to the shoot captian you may find the people doing the pest control are happy to have you along and help out (good way into FAC as well) are you using none FAC Air? or shotgun? I use non fac air at the minute plus shotties 12 & .410 I'm off door knocking this afternoon so hopefully something might turn up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted June 26, 2010 Report Share Posted June 26, 2010 With shotgun you can take any pests a FAC holder can. You may need to be better with your fieldcraft but there isn't a species I can think of that can't be controlled with a shotgun. With the exception of Deer, which from a syndicate point of view would be viewed as an asset rather than a pest? As others have said, pests to a game syndicate may be well off what the farmer has in mind. Keep in his good books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneshotkiller Posted June 27, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2010 Bit of good news after 2 days of door knocking , found a farmer who has a problem with rats and ferals ! Not ideal but could open up a few doors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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