sending guns

[eddoakley]

Recently bought a shotgun in a private sale via a forum. The seller asked if he could post it to my door and just fill in the relevant details on our own sgc's. I said no and that his rfd would need to send it to mine.....

Standard procedure? I thought so and also the only way to do things unless face to face.

The seller subsequently posted the gun directly to my rfd without even putting his details on it. Needless to say they are not happy and are yet to decide whether to report him the authorities.

Just how much trouble is he likely to be in?

 

Edd

[Billy.]

Recently bought a shotgun in a private sale via a forum. The seller asked if he could post it to my door and just fill in the relevant details on our own sgc's. I said no and that his rfd would need to send it to mine.....

Standard procedure? I thought so and also the only way to do things unless face to face.

The seller subsequently posted the gun directly to my rfd without even putting his details on it. Needless to say they are not happy and are yet to decide whether to report him the authorities.

Just how much trouble is he likely to be in?

 

Edd

 

Yeah, a lot of trouble. For a start, the package company will be liable for handling firearms without a licence. The laws were recently changed, so you can't post any type of gun. The only posting of guns is with a courier which is able to carry firearms and an RFD.

 

Very very stupid of him to post a shotgun and I wouldn't be surprised if he loses his licence if reported.

[njc110381]

That's just crazy! As covering for him would put you and your RFD in the spotlight then I can't see as you have any option but to report it? By the sound of things he's either too careless or too stupid to own a gun responsibly anyway!

[eddoakley]

I just dont understand why he thought it was ok?|!!!!! I would have been covering the rfd costs anyway(although it was never mentioned in the cost of the sale) I havn't heard from him yet but have pm'd himtelling him to get in touch with my rfd urgently. Just seems stupid.

I have only spoken to my rfd on the phone and they were not happy, I now have to go see them and try to sort this out in the best way for everyone concerned. I think the only way to do it would be for my rfd to send it to his, get my money back and let him pay the costs.

Even this might not be acceptable to my rfd.

Any advice on what to do for the best?

Edd

[al4x]

talk to your rfd nicely and he may just want to sign it onto your ticket, then just notify the police in the usual way and never ever deal with this plonker again. Reporting it will cause you agro, your RFD agro and probably the sender to loose his ticket. Though he deserves it the facts are your RFD is in posession and as soon as it is entered onto your ticket it could in theory have been a normal sale face to face.

[shootreview]

the problem could be that the seller should have on his ticket that it was sold to rfd then the rfd has to sent notification that he got it then put it on your ticket and then send notification that he sold it to you so the rfd will prob have to report it

[the running man]

Correct me if I'm wrong,but an individual can send a gun barrel to an rfd through ordinary post can they not? Perhaps the guy got confused with this law? Either way by posting this thread uve alerted the police as they moniter this site,its probably in their hands already,luckily ure not in the firing line (excuse the pun).

[daz2202]

Look at the bigger picture, the gun may have been used ilegaly and not on his ticket in the first place. You could end up putting an ilegal gun on your own cert.

[the running man]

Look at the bigger picture, the gun may have been used ilegaly and not on his ticket in the first place. You could end up putting an ilegal gun on your own cert.

that would flash up on the pnc,gun not recognised,but yes after it had gone on ure ticket,good point dazz.

[dazza]

Correct me if I'm wrong,but an individual can send a gun barrel to an rfd through ordinary post can they not? Perhaps the guy got confused with this law? Either way by posting this thread uve alerted the police as they moniter this site,its probably in their hands already,luckily ure not in the firing line (excuse the pun).

 

Why would the police monitor this site? They barely have the time and manpower to police the streets never mind an internet forum.

[the running man]

Why would the police monitor this site? They barely have the time and manpower to police the streets never mind an internet forum.

Its prob a civvy worker doing it, but I can assure you its monitored,as are all mobile phone calls and emails. The computer scans all and cuts in and records it for an analyst if a keyword or a combination of keywords is mentioned,I'm sure location and you're status are factor

ed in as well.

[eddoakley]

UPDATE---

 

I have just been to see rfd and they say that they are waiting for him to contact them(i have msg'd him to do so) they will then send the gun to an understanding rfd of his choice. His rfd will just take it as a delivery not a transfer as such, he will have to collect it from there.

Now for the good bit, the guy i bought it from will have to pay fro my rfd to send it to his, pay his rfd to recieve it, then pay his rfd to send it back to me!!!! I believe that £25 is there going rate for an rfd transfer so thats £75, plus what he spent to post it first time, plus £25 for me to collect from my rfd!!!

All this for a £60 shotgun!!!!!

 

But at least this way he will get to keep his sgc and its all as legal as possible under the circumstances

Phew

 

Edd

[Vipa]

Its prob a civvy worker doing it, but I can assure you its monitored,as are all mobile phone calls and emails. The computer scans all and cuts in and records it for an analyst if a keyword or a combination of keywords is mentioned,I'm sure location and you're status are factor

ed in as well.

 

Think you've been watching too much CSI matey!!

[chris64]

How do you know he has a ticket in the first place, report it covers you and your rfd if it does flag up as no record you and your rfd could be in deep dodo for not doing so,then sue him for your £ back + damages to your good name and your rfd reputation,not a good place to be in :look:

[the running man]

Think you've been watching too much CSI matey!!

I knew someone would make a joke of it! Take a look on the mi5 website,and google it,you will get you're answer,wat do you think the thousands and thousands of workers do in gchq? .....listen to snoop dog all day long? This forum is monitored end of story.

[rodp]

I don't know much about this sort of thing as still waiting for my first SGC for thirty years to land on the mat but surely there's only one simple answer.

As you do not even know if the seller is legit the only way is for him to travel to your RFD, collect the gun in person, take it back to his area and then send it the legal way. That way you haven't even touched the gun and your RFD is just holding it for the registered owner to come along. Your RFD should be in the clear as he's not involved in any sort of transfer, yes . no

[Vipa]

I knew someone would make a joke of it! Take a look on the mi5 website,and google it,you will get you're answer,wat do you think the thousands and thousands of workers do in gchq? .....listen to snoop dog all day long? This forum is monitored end of story.

 

 

Do you believe everything you read on the interweb as well as what's in the Sun :look:

 

Utter, utter nonsense, do you have any grasp as to how much data goes around the world and around the UK each day?? in the UK approx 250 million texts are sent, worldwide, 250 BILLION emails are sent, there are now more than one TRILLION unique web pages available let alone the MILLIONS of conversation hours daily in voice calls. The internet itself is close to collapse so how on earth are a few hundred people sat in Cheltenham going to monitor that much data? It would take a data centre the size of France to house the equipment and then 2 or 3 million personnel to somehow deal with the data on a daily basis! Christ.... you'd need fibre optic cables 1/2 a mile in diameter to provide the bandwidth alone!

 

The authorities cannot listen into private conversations without specific authority from the Home Secretary so yes, whilst the technology exists to monitor and react to keywords, this is only done on surveilance of specific suspects for whome they have specific legal authority to monitor. If they monitored everything it would be ILLEGAL, therefore not admissible as evidence therefore pointless!

 

I am pretty sure I have watched the same movies as you though, what was it that put these ideas in your head?? Enemy of The State? Mercury Rising? movies made by the same people who would have you believe that a silenced 9mm semi is acually silent and just goes 'phut'........ get a life!

 

By the way... we did land on the moon, JFK was killed by a bullet from the book depository and 9/11 may or may not have been a government conspiracy

 

Methinks you need to unsubscribe from www.conspiricies-r-us.com

Edited June 26, 2010 by Vipa

[Billy.]

Utter, utter nonsense, do you have any grasp as to how much data goes around the world and around the UK each day?? in the UK approx 250 million texts are sent, worldwide, 250 BILLION emails are sent, there are now more than one TRILLION unique web pages available let alone the MILLIONS of conversation hours daily in voice calls. The internet itself is close to collapse so how on earth are a few hundred people sat in Cheltenham going to monitor that much data? It would take a data centre the size of France to house the equipment and then 2 or 3 million personnel to somehow deal with the data on a daily basis!

 

The authorities cannot listen into private conversations without specific authority from the Home Secretary so yes, whilst the technology exists to monitor and react to keywords, this is only done on surveilance of specific suspects for whome they have specific legal authority to monitor. If they monitored everything it would be ILLEGAL, therefore not admissible as evidence therefore pointless!

 

I am pretty sure I have watched the same movies as you though, what was it that put these ideas in your head?? Enemy of The State? Mercury Rising? movies made by the same people who would have you believe that a silenced 9mm semi is acually silent and just goes 'phut'........ get a life!

 

By the way... we did land on the moon, JFK was killed by a bullet from the book depository and 9/11 may or may not have been a government conspiracy

 

Methinks you need to unsubscribe from www.conspiricies-r-us.com :look:

 

It's actually all done on keywords; They will have bots which scan the web for words and phrases which are very unlikely to come up in your general chit chat... I remember hearing about it in the news a while back. I'll guarantee I can get a member of the UK or US secret service to look over this by writing some keywords:

 

Air Force One

Nuclear

Atomic

Bomb

Obama

Jihad

 

Done

 

 

*knock knock*

 

[dazza]

Its prob a civvy worker doing it, but I can assure you its monitored,as are all mobile phone calls and emails. The computer scans all and cuts in and records it for an analyst if a keyword or a combination of keywords is mentioned,I'm sure location and you're status are factor

ed in as well.

 

They won't get anything from me. My walls are lined with tin foil

[the running man]

Do you believe everything you read on the interweb as well as what's in the Sun :look:

 

Utter, utter nonsense, do you have any grasp as to how much data goes around the world and around the UK each day?? in the UK approx 250 million texts are sent, worldwide, 250 BILLION emails are sent, there are now more than one TRILLION unique web pages available let alone the MILLIONS of conversation hours daily in voice calls. The internet itself is close to collapse so how on earth are a few hundred people sat in Cheltenham going to monitor that much data? It would take a data centre the size of France to house the equipment and then 2 or 3 million personnel to somehow deal with the data on a daily basis! Christ.... you'd need fibre optic cables 1/2 a mile in diameter to provide the bandwidth alone!

 

The authorities cannot listen into private conversations without specific authority from the Home Secretary so yes, whilst the technology exists to monitor and react to keywords, this is only done on surveilance of specific suspects for whome they have specific legal authority to monitor. If they monitored everything it would be ILLEGAL, therefore not admissible as evidence therefore pointless!

 

I am pretty sure I have watched the same movies as you though, what was it that put these ideas in your head?? Enemy of The State? Mercury Rising? movies made by the same people who would have you believe that a silenced 9mm semi is acually silent and just goes 'phut'........ get a life!

 

By the way... we did land on the moon, JFK was killed by a bullet from the book depository and 9/11 may or may not have been a government conspiracy

 

Methinks you need to unsubscribe from www.conspiricies-r-us.com

whatever u say. 276 millon tex, uk 3 billon a day emails. http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/busi...icle3965033.ece Edited June 26, 2010 by the running man

[njc110381]

Perhaps you could invite this guy to your rfd so that they can sign it off of his ticket then on to yours? I personally would just report it though as there's no way I would risk my hobby for the sake of someone who should clearly know better! If this comes out you could lose everything and I'm sure the RFD wouldn't be too popular either!

[Vipa]

whatever u say. 276 millon tex, uk 3 billon a day emails. http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/busi...icle3965033.ece

 

 

Show me something that confirms this was ever implemented! I think you will find the idea was put forward and abandoned, mainly due to the data commissioner standing up and saying enough is enough. The cost to build the infrastructure would be huge apart from anything else... There is a whole world of difference between storing that quantity of data for 12 months and having a system that can sift through it all, in real time (which it would have to) and extract key words.....

 

did you also read the part that said "police and security services would be able to access it if given permission from the courts." so, if you were a suspected terrorist, the police could seek permission from the courts to check your activity over the last 12 months.... there is not some Hollywood thriller style system that monitors all global communications and flags up where someone types or says bomb or president or assasinate!!! You have been watching too many movies my friend!!

Edited June 26, 2010 by Vipa

[HDAV]

Ed can you PM who your RFD is (is one of the bigger shops locally?) As for the Monitoring of emails, texts and all electronic comms.... I would suggest if the site is monitored you have shown yourself to be overtly paranoid and therefore unsuitable to hold an FAC or SGC?

 

IF the auto software bots still ban everything from S****horpe (or to s****horpe) or offa's dyke surprised the east of England gets any electronic comms (Sussex, Essex, Wessex etc)

 

as for original issue the only way i can see it working is if the original owner turns up at RFD with cert to collect, speaking to an RFD earlier he said there had been an upturn in business since Mr Bird went nuts as lots of people were selling unwanted/unused guns

 

 

EDIT (ROTFLMFAO it still works!!!)

Edited June 26, 2010 by HDAV

[the running man]

Show me something that confirms this was ever implemented! I think you will find the idea was put forward and abandoned, mainly due to the data commissioner standing up and saying enough is enough. The cost to build the infrastructure would be huge apart from anything else... There is a whole world of difference between storing that quantity of data for 12 months and having a system that can sift through it all, in real time (which it would have to) and extract key words.....

 

did you also read the part that said "police and security services would be able to access it if given permission from the courts." so, if you were a suspected terrorist, the police could seek permission from the courts to check your activity over the last 12 months.... there is not some Hollywood thriller style system that monitors all global communications and flags up where someone types or says bomb or president or assasinate!!! You have been watching too many movies my friend!!

yes i think it was x files maybe?

[Harnser]

The first responcibilty of a gun vendor is to identify the buyer via his ticket . The first responcibility of a buyer of a gun is to identify the vendor via his ticket ,thats one of the reasons we have a ticket . This identification can also be done via a RFD . This man is either very stupid or trying to tuck you up with an illegal gun , stay away and get the RFD who know has possession of the gun to contact the police .

 

Harnser .