little girl attacked by rotweilers in dundee,unprevoked

[shaun4860]

Only good dog is a dead dog!!!!!!!!

 

dave

 

 

A bit harsh that....

 

shaun

[kdubya]

So should all firearms be banned just incase someone else decides to go on another shooting rampage? Bet they'd be tears before dawn if they outlawed gun ownership and the Police took your guns away for doing absolutely nothing wrong!Dont try to tell me its not the same cos it is!

 

Not all Rottweilers are nasty pieces of work like not all gun owners are nuts so why should those people be denied owning something they really want and like.

 

its not the same like it or not a gun is an inert piece of wood and steel that you control. a dog is a live animal with its own mind not yours its own! it WILL do one day as it pleases I can provide you with a phone number of a bloke who can describe the injuries to his right arm and details of the many bouts of surgery he had to get his arm back working again injuries inflicted by his OWN well trained rottie a very obedient dog that one day decided it did not want to play nice doggy, had he not been 6ft 4" and way towards 20 clem and luckily in his workshop were he managed to get hold of a large pry bar, things may have ended very much worse, best thing was his wife loved the dog thought it was as daft as, if it had gone for her it would have killed her, there is NO place in society for rotties and pit bull types they are like it or not, the beast that can awake anytime, and if anyone thinks they can control them all the time they need their bumps feeling.

 

KW

[DSPUK]

A bit harsh that....

 

shaun

 

 

In what way - they **** everywhere - bark continuously and attack people

 

dave

[kdubya]

In what way - they **** everywhere - bark continuously and attack people

 

dave

 

to the point I suppose mind you I have a 15 year old poodle (yes I know) with no teeth it could give you a nasty suck!! its the one dog I could (and do) trust with kids.

 

KW

[njc110381]

As always I'll comment on it being the owners fault. The trouble with a breed like this is that when it has a bad owner and attacks they do a lot more damage than other breeds. I've said it before and I'll say it again, it's not the dogs fault!

 

Of the people with dogs I know that are good examples, two friends of mine both have two Dobermans. They're fine. You can play with them, take their food away, push them around - no reaction. Then my old boss had an English Bull Terrier. His kids used to ride it, take its food, stand on it - no reaction. All five of these dogs are in the "not to be messed with" line of breeds?

 

Then I know a chap with a Yorkie/Jack Russel cross. Well... It snarles at passing schoolkids, snaps at you if you so much as put a hand out of place when it's sleeping and get this - it sleeps with them at night and even snarles at them if they roll over in bed and wake it up! I've pinned its head to the floor on several occasions and if it was anything bigger than a cocker I'd be scared stiff of it. Why? Because they just laugh it off when she gets snappy. I've had dirty looks on many occasions for grabbing her and putting her in her place, like the little ****bag should be allowed to get away with it?! Not with me she wont, not ever!

 

So, owners have a lot to answer for. Perhaps if their dogs attck a kid they should be put down and the dog retrained by a professional ready for rehoming? Dogs learn fast if they're taught correctly. They need time, attention and an owner who is willing/capable of being a good leader.

 

Personally I'd love a Bull Mastiff. I really like the breed and I think they're very loyal and strong dogs. I haven't got one because I don't have the time to spend with it and until I do things will stay that way.

Edited August 30, 2010 by njc110381

[JRS]

we should have a vote about an open season on rottys and pitbulls and a further disscusion on what caliber to use

[Imperfection]

its not the same like it or not a gun is an inert piece of wood and steel that you control. a dog is a live animal with its own mind not yours its own! it WILL do one day as it pleases I can provide you with a phone number of a bloke who can describe the injuries to his right arm and details of the many bouts of surgery he had to get his arm back working again injuries inflicted by his OWN well trained rottie a very obedient dog that one day decided it did not want to play nice doggy, had he not been 6ft 4" and way towards 20 clem and luckily in his workshop were he managed to get hold of a large pry bar, things may have ended very much worse, best thing was his wife loved the dog thought it was as daft as, if it had gone for her it would have killed her, there is NO place in society for rotties and pit bull types they are like it or not, the beast that can awake anytime, and if anyone thinks they can control them all the time they need their bumps feeling.

 

KW

 

Lol-then perhaps we should all get rid of all dogs which weigh no more than 6kgs then that reduces the risk entirely-unless your a 3ft Oooompahloompa!

 

These stories of people fighting off monstorous dogs are like chinese whispers in that they get exagerated evertime they get passed from person to person.Chances are your friend was bitten by a Border Collie,but it didnt sound 'manly' enough so the breed was substituted to one with a reputation and the iron bar was thrown in for good measure.

 

Anyhoo,the goverment have no intention of adding more breeds to the DDA because it was cocked up to start with and they know it!

[JRS]

past down over time ! , i also personaly know of a guy who nearly lost his arm to an alsation and his girl friend had to have her face reconstructed and it was not exagerated to appear manly

all rottys and alsations should face a firing squad

[J@mes]

Lol-then perhaps we should all get rid of all dogs which weigh no more than 6kgs then that reduces the risk entirely-unless your a 3ft Oooompahloompa!

 

 

I was not aware that they came in various sizes!

[JRS]

I was not aware that they came in various sizes!

think he mean dispose of them at puppy stage

[J@mes]

think I meant the oompa loompas

[Mungler]

Banning doesn't work. Hand guns are banned and yet gun crime (using handguns) is still rife.

 

There is legislation on the statute books to deal with these dog owners, it's just not used and no one get prosecuted.

 

I just randomly googled - and look here:

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2...15875-22376150/

 

Illegal pit bull, kills a kid and..... person in possession gets an order banning them from owning dogs and the owner got 4 months (what's that out in 2 months?)

 

It's a ******* joke. A ban will result in nothing apart from making people feel they are doing something / steps are being taken.

[fortune82]

The same old argument keeps popping up. Any dog can attack people and some are more likely than others. Some people have dogs as weapons / status symbols and they tend to go for the more aggressive breeds.

 

Anyway if someone told me I was going to be attacked by a dog tomorrow and gave me a choice of breed I would much rather it wasnt a rottie, akita, doberman, mastif etc. Im sure my Cocker could give a nasty bite but it aint going to be able to over power me. I bet a Rottie could.

 

Personally I dont understand why someone would want to keep a dog in their house which is bred for fighting / combat / gaurding etc that could actually kill you!

[kdubya]

Lol-then perhaps we should all get rid of all dogs which weigh no more than 6kgs then that reduces the risk entirely-unless your a 3ft Oooompahloompa!

 

These stories of people fighting off monstorous dogs are like chinese whispers in that they get exagerated evertime they get passed from person to person.Chances are your friend was bitten by a Border Collie,but it didnt sound 'manly' enough so the breed was substituted to one with a reputation and the iron bar was thrown in for good measure.

 

Anyhoo,the goverment have no intention of adding more breeds to the DDA because it was cocked up to start with and they know it!

 

not a chinese whisper sonny but fact. have look back I posted this story years ago it was fact then it is fact now.please pm me if you want to call me a liar and I will arrange to take you to meet him I have been a mate of his for over 30 years he had two rotties the one that did for him was called rocky, the iron bar was fact he worked from home turnimng scrap cars back into runners, both rotties were put down as a result, so just because it does not suit you dont call people liars it makes you look a fool.

 

KW

[gsm1968]

My two bob's worth....................

 

When ever a breed becomes popular, they are heavily bred and interbred to meet demand. It's the owner/breeders to blame, as they are driven by financial gain. All the stories I read are when the animal reaches the 3 year mark, and it "blows a fuse". Irespective of breed, the story always starts with, "It's never done that before!"

 

This is a world wide problem, not just the UK.

 

With our H&S culture we can't even go on a building site as a visitor with out Hi-viz, hard hat, boots, glasses and the ever important induction. However you can buy any dog you like with zero checks/education being done!!

 

It does need some looking at. Perhaps the RSPCA could contribute, once they've finnished the "Grey" prosecutions.

 

I hope the little girl recovers.

[bicykillgaz]

i agree with the bad owner theory, if you've got a large or powerful breed you need to take more care with the dog its as simple as that if you train and socialise it properly there is no reason why a well balanced dog should 'snap'

 

good owner = good dog

 

bad owner = bad dog

[TONY.M]

worked with foxhounds for years only had problems with people why own a dog you can not handle lets look at the OWNERS

[kdubya]

i agree with the bad owner theory, if you've got a large or powerful breed you need to take more care with the dog its as simple as that if you train and socialise it properly there is no reason why a well balanced dog should 'snap'

 

good owner = good dog

 

bad owner = bad dog

 

 

which translates to

 

good owner = less likely

 

bad owner = more likely

 

both are bombs waiting to go off just one has a shorter fuse

 

KW

[Imperfection]

not a chinese whisper sonny but fact. have look back I posted this story years ago it was fact then it was fact now.please pm me if you want to call me a liar and I will arrange to take you to meet him I have been a mate of his for over 30 years he had two rotties the one that did for him was called rocky, the iron bar was fact he worked from home turnimng scrap cars back into runners, both rotties were put down as a result, so just because it does not suit you dont call people liars it maked you look a fool.

 

KW

 

Calm down sonny-wasnt calling you a liar! Just that facts often get clouded over time.If you say its true then it is.

 

Better education is whats needed and to control breeding.Most legitemate breeders like to see their puppies going to good homes where they'll be trained and looked after correctly.Backyard breeders dont give a hoot where they go so if you do the right thing at source it should lessen the risks of attacks happening.

[Ozzy Fudd]

we should have a vote about an open season on rottys and pitbulls and a further disscusion on what caliber to use

 

my moneys on buckshot, as thats what i bought when i got my rotties, just incase never needed it though; as for open season, sure why not! though one of the first things youd want to buy is as much kevlar as possible, as i doubt tweed would be much use against what id be throwing in your direction....

 

anyway, glad to see the threads degenerated into the usual "i know better than you because i can shout longer" with the usual members posting - kdubya is there ANY type of animal out there you wouldnt like to see shot/strangled/killed? first cats, now rottweilers, next youll be going on about pouring baking soda into fishtanks...

 

put the dogs down and shoot the owners, enough said

[Gordon R]

kdubya - you do yourself no favours citing the one dog you trust as a 15 year old poodle with no teeth. I presume it was born with no teeth, never grew any and was the one dog in the world that could be trusted.

 

Here is another person who thought they knew their dog.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11198533/

 

fortune82 - here we go again - I wouldn't have a dog that was so big etc. Your Cocker could kill a child, but then again - it never would because it's your dog. To a baby or young child, your dog might appear to be very large.

 

I do wonder whether there is a special school that people attend where they learn blind faith in their own dog, whilst being taught to distrust anyone else's. Eventually they become confident enough to speak out and brand other people as "irresponsible".

Edited August 30, 2010 by Gordon R

[shade695]

Yet another sickening example of large breed dogs destroying a kids life god knows what this little girls went through , she will in all probability never get over this,

 

Now the my dogs a good dog lads will be along shortly trying to justify and deflect the fact that these types of dog are unnecessary accessories, and that when THEY want to they will attack regardless of however obedient the dog is considered, don't know why those who want this type of dog don't simply use the chartham method?

 

KW

 

Most Standard Poodles are "soft" and sensitive dogs, sometimes hypersensitive. If you touch them unexpectedly or startle them with a sudden loud sound, they tend to flinch. The most sensitive individuals are not good with small children.

 

so now you going to say not my dog?

 

all dogs require a responsible owner/handler not a few months ago the staffie was being put in the limelight, yes too many use dogs (general term) as a status symbol and these just like the irresponsible gun owner need to be weeded out but how? how do you know when a dog or some one in possesion of a firearm will do something unnacceptable? you can keep a dog under control on a lead, we try and licence gun ownership.

you own a gun why? you wanted one, you are responsible enough to have one, but everyman could kill/mame but does not, we are not all phsycotic only some! I wanted and do own dogs and have like most owned them all my life and responsibly I would like to think.

a dog like any pet is a wild animal, and I would class a standard poodle as a large breed too!

[kdubya]

kdubya - you do yourself no favours citing the one dog you trust as a 15 year old poodle with no teeth. I presume it was born with no teeth, never grew any and was the one dog in the world that could be trusted.

 

It had its teeth removed as a result of gum infection its black (make that grey) miniature poodle softest thing Ive ever seen its really the daughters she is now 16 and has grown up with it, my beef re rotties pit bull types etc is not with the owners its with the potential that's in the dog, Ive never yet seen a report of a miniature poodle ripping the face off a man or kid.

 

KW

[Ozzy Fudd]

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_396850.html

 

as you wish...

[Gordon R]

kdubya - what is your view on the bomb waiting to go off - Labrador? You have seen the article - you know what they are capable of. Why would anyone want to own such a dog, as opposed to a Rottie?