al4x Posted September 15, 2010 Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-11303939 looks like it may become open season on Badgers before too long on specific land. Guess this leaves us with another licensing issue as I assume centrefire only but will you be able to use the vermin condition? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artschool Posted September 15, 2010 Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 a few people seem to think that it will be gas only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted September 15, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 Interesting as really with the numbers game it would be easy to pick them up while lamping this government is a slight bonus with the head of Defra being a shooting man and opening it up would be one of the few ways of having a fast impact on numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artschool Posted September 15, 2010 Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 Interesting as really with the numbers game it would be easy to pick them up while lamping this government is a slight bonus with the head of Defra being a shooting man and opening it up would be one of the few ways of having a fast impact on numbers. i usually see at least one whilst out lamping for rabbits, i have just put in for a .223 as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted September 15, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 I saw 5 on Monday night, but with it being arable we won't have an excuse shame really as they must have an impact on our grey partridge survival rates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted September 15, 2010 Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-11303939 looks like it may become open season on Badgers before too long on specific land. Guess this leaves us with another licensing issue as I assume centrefire only but will you be able to use the vermin condition? Please don't ask why I should know this but I think I'm right in saying that the minimum muzzle energy is 160ft/lbs (22WMR). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted September 15, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 no idea, not sure what my FEO would say if I wanted badger put on the conditions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted September 15, 2010 Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 Surely there must be some other mammals that we can also come up with some lame excuse to cull as well. How about the Red Squirrel, I am sure they probably carry fleas or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artschool Posted September 15, 2010 Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 well i guess it is worth looking into. i just realised that my only permission that keeps cattle is in wales!!! doh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted September 15, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 Surely there must be some other mammals that we can also come up with some lame excuse to cull as well. How about the Red Squirrel, I am sure they probably carry fleas or something. If you had a dairy farm you'd think differently MC, Its why most of the dairy farmers round me have given up its demoralising when there is nothing you can do about it. I like to see the occasional badger and we won't be shooting any on my main shoot but in some places its really needed, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted September 15, 2010 Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 (edited) I have to say i agree with MC on this, it's not a proven thing yet with the whole TB/Cattle issue and i have a bit od a soft spot for bodger... And i'm sorry to say i ran a female over last night, she darted out at the last minute (as they seem to do) ...that's the second one in a year! even sadder is the fact it was 100yards from my house and i think it's the one that frequents my street - it was nice to see it bumbling around at night, very comical, although it did manage to push over a barrel i have full of dog food one night! EDIT TO SAY - A FEMALE BADGER!!! Edited September 15, 2010 by gixer1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the running man Posted September 15, 2010 Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 If you had a dairy farm you'd think differently MC, Its why most of the dairy farmers round me have given up its demoralising when there is nothing you can do about it. I like to see the occasional badger and we won't be shooting any on my main shoot but in some places its really needed,agreed,almost broke a leg falling into a badger set! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted September 15, 2010 Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 Understand that needs must for some, and others just plain can't help themselves from killing something if they can, but shooting badgers ain't my cup of tea... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted September 15, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 very similar to shooting foxes, Badgers are just as cute and fluffy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted September 15, 2010 Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 very similar to shooting foxes, Badgers are just as cute and fluffy Not even in the same ballpark though is it? Foxes are a bloody nuisance, killing for the sake of killing. Killing everything in sight but leaving them all. Do Badgers do that? No I didn't think so. Has the link between badgers and bovine TB been proven beyond all doubt? No I didn't think so either. If it had there wouldn't be all this consultation and deciding whther to have a cull or not. It woud happen. I was on a shoot at the end of last season on a dairy farm and it was the farmers last ever collection of milk on the same day. I asked why he was giving up expecting him to say that TB etc was the reason, however he said it just wasn't worth it any longer. The larger producers were screwing everyone down on price and he could earn more from a beef herd instead. I can't wait for the first "Can I shoot a badger with my .22" thread. Well actually yes I can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted September 15, 2010 Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 agreed,almost broke a leg falling into a badger set! Oh God bless you, That is quite possibly the lamest reason I have ever heard for going to shoot something. I wonder what would have happened if you really broke your leg? Call in an air strike no doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artschool Posted September 15, 2010 Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 Oh God bless you, That is quite possibly the lamest reason I have ever heard for going to shoot something. I wonder what would have happened if you really broke your leg? Call in an air strike no doubt. that would naturally be ordered after the medivac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted September 15, 2010 Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 (edited) Not even in the same ballpark though is it? Foxes are a bloody nuisance, killing for the sake of killing. Killing everything in sight but leaving them all. Do Badgers do that? No I didn't think so. Has the link between badgers and bovine TB been proven beyond all doubt? No I didn't think so either. If it had there wouldn't be all this consultation and deciding whther to have a cull or not. It woud happen. I was on a shoot at the end of last season on a dairy farm and it was the farmers last ever collection of milk on the same day. I asked why he was giving up expecting him to say that TB etc was the reason, however he said it just wasn't worth it any longer. The larger producers were screwing everyone down on price and he could earn more from a beef herd instead. I can't wait for the first "Can I shoot a badger with my .22" thread. Well actually yes I can. MC Come on, discuss the Badger issues by all means but ....... ...... that old chestnut again. The fox will often kill everything it can in any given situation and then take them away and eat them, feed the family or bury them, the ONLY reason they are left sometimes is simply because Charlie got to tired or was disturbed. If you didn't clear up all your remaining dead chickens in the morning Charlie would almost certainly return to collect the rest of them the next day! So, as you didn't deal with him before, that presents the ideal opportunity to shoot him, except everyone goes and clears up the remaining dead ones and moans that Charlie is a mindless killer...! ATB!! Edited September 15, 2010 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soreshoulder Posted September 15, 2010 Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 try looking at it from the farmers point of view, everytime a TB test comes up you lose about 10+ prime dairy cows, its a blow as it take time money and effort to get the animal to the stage at which it joins the herd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HW682 Posted September 15, 2010 Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 Pasted from the link in the first post: Groups of farmers and landowners would be invited to come forward with bids to mount culls in specific areas.Applicants would have to satisfy a number of conditions, including: the area must total at least 150 sq km there must be "high and persistent" levels of TB in cattle the group can show it can access at least 70% of the land in the area the group must commit to culling at east once per year for four years there must be evidence that culling will bring badger numbers down far enough to reduce TB transmission without wiping badgers out entirely in the area. Licensees would be allowed to trap the animals in cages and shoot them, or just shoot them as they roam - so-called free-shooting. If it does go ahead under those conditions, I would have thought it likely that many landowners groups would employ professionals to do it. It wouldn't be a case of odd individuals with permission here and there taking a pot shot when they felt like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC45 Posted September 15, 2010 Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 This thread should have had a poll. I for one have no desire to shoot Mr Badger!!! When will they make it ok to shoot Bankers?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebarrels Posted September 15, 2010 Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 Understand that needs must for some, and others just plain can't help themselves from killing something if they can, but shooting badgers ain't my cup of tea... Spot on BB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CZ550Kevlar Posted September 15, 2010 Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 There is no chance in my opinion that the cull will happen by rifle open season style, there would be a flood of variation applications to every FLO. It will be a case of the landowner gaining a licence then contractors would be called in to gas them. I honestly think any other way would be asking for trouble and personally speaking and my farmers feel the same it doesn`t need to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libs Posted September 15, 2010 Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 All species of deer can also carry bTB..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted September 15, 2010 Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 All species of deer can also carry bTB..... Yes they can, but they are a lower risk of passing it on to cattle. In most creatures TB is a lung disease, this is true in people, cattle and deer. Badgers are different! They excrete large amounts of the bacterium in their urine. They urinate outside their sets, they have been seen going into cattle troughs and feed stores to feed, and urinate. This is why badgers are so crucial in the spread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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