al4x Posted September 17, 2010 Report Share Posted September 17, 2010 This makes for pretty distasteful reading, again Police have decided to shoot domestic animals and prooved their incompetence. Now people may be able to say differently but would the use of non expanding ammo be one of the issues? 19 shots to kill a horse isn't on and should bring about a cruelty conviction. They'd have been far better off getting someone local with a decent sized centrefire to do the job http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/8391830.Po...efended_by_vet/ http://jamesmarchington.blogspot.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted September 17, 2010 Report Share Posted September 17, 2010 (edited) Wow. That's an interesting read and really shocking account on James' blog. Edit: I am still sceptical about the reports though. It could easily be the owner of the horses trying to get compensation or something Edited September 17, 2010 by Billy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reedbradshaw Posted September 17, 2010 Report Share Posted September 17, 2010 i find it hard to believe that a trained police marksman, who we can assume would be an excellent shot, would take 19 shots to kill a horse.....i think its hyped up a little! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted September 17, 2010 Report Share Posted September 17, 2010 Im a bit reluctant to believe most which was written-especially the bit about shooting cowboy and indians style from roof of 4x4.Im suprised it didnt say they were shooting from the hip too! Im guessing the article was written by the horses owner who feels guilty because it was they who were responsible for the horses being loose or maybe the paper jazzing up a story? Either way,its not nice that they were destroyed and is a shame they couldnt be caught. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted September 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2010 the comment down the bottom adds a bit to it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted September 17, 2010 Report Share Posted September 17, 2010 mmm A horse does have a small brain and a good head shot can be difficult. I would have thought an experience deer stalker would have been more useful? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death from below Posted September 17, 2010 Report Share Posted September 17, 2010 Sounds like a press driven crock of poop to me - unless they are completely in the dark ages up in Yorkshire, if the equivalent were to happen in London, the officers would immediatley be placed on office duty and investigated - all the wild west stuff just sounds far too ridiculous to be true - I may be proved wrong and if I am, I shall drive quickly through the Yorkshire section of the A1 the next time I go up North to Newcastle to visit family, especially if I see a NYP 4x4. Still, if it's printed in the press with a spurious eye witness accounts then it must be correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted September 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2010 It would be far from the first time though, they fairly regularly make a hash of trying to shoot cows / Bulls, seems like the guns they carry aren't that suitable for shooting large animals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted September 17, 2010 Report Share Posted September 17, 2010 Im a bit reluctant to believe most which was written-especially the bit about shooting cowboy and indians style from roof of 4x4.Im suprised it didnt say they were shooting from the hip too! Im guessing the article was written by the horses owner who feels guilty because it was they who were responsible for the horses being loose or maybe the paper jazzing up a story? Either way,its not nice that they were destroyed and is a shame they couldnt be caught. If, and only if, the 4by4 was moving while shots were taken then cowboys and indians it is. Am I right in thinking that someone has recently been done for drowning something small and fluffy/hairy? If so then like the poor horse the officers don't have a leg to stand on and the answer to the OP Title is, IMO, Yes. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted September 17, 2010 Report Share Posted September 17, 2010 Am I right in thinking that the main weapon used by armed response teams uses a Nato 5.56mm round? If so, it seems they should have waited for someone equiped with a suitable weapon if the only option was to dispatch the horses. Prosecuted? If the story is accurate, then yes. But I think more facts need to be known. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted September 17, 2010 Report Share Posted September 17, 2010 I hardly think 5.56 (.223) is man enough to Shoot horses with - unless at very close range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted September 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2010 I'm assuming they also don't use expanding ammo which would be the big problem and why they take a fair few bullets to do the job. Headshots are one thing but body shots with non expanding as we all know just isn't on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted September 17, 2010 Report Share Posted September 17, 2010 Surely they must have Deer stalkers who can be called out for RTAs etc? Even just a random selection from the licensing computer should pull up someone with a large calibre + expanding ammo who could have done the job better than them? I think sometimes the rush of the moment makes people make wrong decisions. Shooting the horse however many times they did could have stopped a fatal accident on the road? I don't know, but I'm sure they didn't mess up on purpose! There are lessons to be learned here for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted September 17, 2010 Report Share Posted September 17, 2010 I'm only an SGC, not an FAC holder, but surely something like a .308/7.72 Nato would be more suitable given that .223 with expanding is only allowed for small deer species and foxes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted September 17, 2010 Report Share Posted September 17, 2010 Surely they must have Deer stalkers who can be called out for RTAs etc? Even just a random selection from the licensing computer should pull up someone with a large calibre + expanding ammo who could have done the job better than them? Just calling up a random shooter seems a little far fetched. For a start the police wouldn't really know if the person had experience shooting a large animal and secondly, they probably won't have 3rd party insurance, unless BASC are willing to pay out for a person shooting a horse in a field they don't have permission to shoot in...! I do think a pro stalker is a good idea, but getting one on the scene faster than the armed police will be very unlikely! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted September 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2010 Bearing in mind they shoot a lot more animals than people it wouldn't be beyond the realms of possibilities to have a decent sized rifle and expanding ammo available to firearms teams. It does make a bit of a joke of the licensing system worrying about what we use then using unsatisfactory equipment themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inthedark Posted September 17, 2010 Report Share Posted September 17, 2010 Government guidence reveals that they use .308 trophy bonded bear claw via snipers only. Methinks there's a fair ammount of **** in the press report Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuddster Posted September 17, 2010 Report Share Posted September 17, 2010 Evening Chaps, I'll keep it short but here's my tuppence worth, standard carbine calibre in the UK is .223. large frame animals will not be shot at with the .223 ( other than in emergency for example wounded animal requiring despatching and at close range ie less than 10 feet) -a trained rifle officer is called out equipped with a .308 shooting JSP ammo.Civilian shooters would not be invited to join in a Police firearms operation. There were 2 horses on this occaison - No 1 shot and dropped dead. No 2 injured then dispatched. All reasonable steps were taken to capture or corrall these feral animals that had been roaming free from human contact for a number of months. As the matter is now under investigation I will refrain from further comment. All the best Fudd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted September 17, 2010 Report Share Posted September 17, 2010 As the matter is now under investigation I will refrain from further comment. All the best Fudd I'm intrigued as to how you might know some of that information Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuddster Posted September 17, 2010 Report Share Posted September 17, 2010 I'm intrigued as to how you might know some of that information Billy, I'll err on the side of discretion but join the dots and you'll get the picture. atb fudd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted September 17, 2010 Report Share Posted September 17, 2010 Billy, I'll err on the side of discretion but join the dots and you'll get the picture. atb fudd I got your drift in the first place. You seem a really handy person to know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuddster Posted September 17, 2010 Report Share Posted September 17, 2010 Government guidence reveals that they use .308 trophy bonded bear claw via snipers only. Methinks there's a fair ammount of **** in the press report For inthedark and Billy Bearclaw is intended for shooting through glass ie double or triple glazing. Lapua greenspot in 308 jsp is standard-depending on regional area. apparently, fudd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune82 Posted September 17, 2010 Report Share Posted September 17, 2010 This will be the reason I aint shooting Partridge this weekend as the horses and following convoy have put the birds off our shoot. I heard they belonged to an old guy that died recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuddster Posted September 17, 2010 Report Share Posted September 17, 2010 This will be the reason I aint shooting Partridge this weekend as the horses and following convoy have put the birds off our shoot. I heard they belonged to an old guy that died recently. kexby? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted September 17, 2010 Report Share Posted September 17, 2010 Whilst we seem to be debating which calibre would have been best for the job in hand i must admit to being confused as to why they had to be shot in the fist place.If the road had been closed for ,say, 20 minutes is there anybody on this site who doesn,t think they could have got within darting range? :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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