22mag v 17 rem

[bongo321]

hi if as i was put on the spot which would you pick 22magnum or 17remington , i have 22lr 17hmr 22air as a choice for fox

[swiss.tony]

dont think id bother and go straight for .223

[al4x]

personally neither if its only foxes go for a .22cf or if you may want deer later then go for a .243 not much difference in getting any of them

[bongo321]

i was talking to the flo lady and she moaned about my 2nd 22lr ,so i just wanted to get my 17hmr so just said fox as a reason for it But she moaned again and said you need a 17rem or a 22mag THIS is where it started so i just said 22mag as i thought cheaper and more rifle choice ALL in a mili.second thinking i can allways do a 1 for 1 once i get my ticket back With my 22air 22lr still on , plus a 17hmr as i wanted but swapped a extra 22lr for a 22mag so not to bad

Edited November 15, 2010 by bongo321

[humperdingle]

They're completely different rounds, mate. Out of the two, i'd go for the .17 Rem, purely because it has much more power, and has a super-flat trajectory.

 

I'd much rather go for a .22 centrefire, though.

[bongo321]

They're completely different rounds, mate. Out of the two, i'd go for the .17 Rem, purely because it has much more power, and has a super-flat trajectory.

 

I'd much rather go for a .22 centrefire, though.

think i may swap to a 17rem , as for a 22 centre fire im not sure about getting the land passed as it is im been allowed the mag with the option of the rem

[Dekers]

think i may swap to a 17rem , as for a 22 centre fire im not sure about getting the land passed as it is im been allowed the mag with the option of the rem

 

 

Be careful about the 17Rem or Fireball, around 700-800ft lb I seem to remember. Ammo is not cheap or easy to find, and they can be very fussy, rifles are not easy to find, very limited selection/stock and they are hard to sell on! Oh yes, and you will have to take great care of that barrel!

 

Consider also a Hornet (.22centrefire), better all round bet in my opinion and generally slightly less powerful than the 17Rem.

[casts_by_fly]

If you go a centerfire 17, you should be prepared to reload. Even in the US where ammo is plentiful you really want to reload for the 17's.

 

Thanks

Rick

[bongo321]

ok final decision was after taking in all the pro's and con's of the replies ,im sticking with 22air, 22lr , asked for 17hmr no probs so thought i may as well go mad so ive asked for a 22-250 as what ever i picked she was putting it down for fox , she says ok just needs to confirm land is ok should be ok its a farm part of a big old estate in cheshire massive so then if i decide 222 223 etc it would be a 1 for 1 yes ? and 22-250 seem to be plentyful and i wont be plinking with it so ammo is ok .

[Dougy]

I have to agree with your choice,

You are applying for what i was adviced to go for and so far i have no regrets, just recently i have a slot for another 22.250 but may change that if i feel the need.

 

You will have 22lr 17hmr for vermin and the 22Cf for fox and vermin, if you get 17 for fox then fine but but at the moment i dont but will have a chat with FLO and see if they will revert back to what it was on my ticket before renewal ; fox and vermin.

I will see.

 

Oh and dont forget to put down a mod for each Firearm , and while your at it why not put in for FAC air rifle you can always do a 1 for 1 later if you decide to

[Mr_Logic]

17 Fireball has a much better reputation than the 17 Rem for ease of loading and fussiness.

[Dead-Eyed Duck]

I had a Tikka 17 Rem for a couple of years.

 

I well remember asking the local FLO for permission - she asked what I wanted one for? "Fox shooting". Nope she said - you cannot shoot foxes with 17 air rifles....

 

I read all the doom and gloom stories of reloading this round, but I had little trouble.

 

I had owned a 223 and 22-250 before this rifle, and reloaded for both, so reloading was not an issue.

 

The round was superbly accurate, and I well remember a mate trying it out at 100 yards, shooting at a 12g cartridge on end. At his first shot the sod shot the primer completely out - a feat that I couldn't repeat.

 

I sold it simply because I wanted a change - I went back to a 223, which I still have.

 

I used to use 25g Berger heads and these were very accurate. However, I think that the modern V Max would be even better as I did have a couple of occasions when foxes did not go down straight away.

 

In hindsight would I get another - probably not, as it is my experience that the 223 has better knock-down power, especially with 50g V Max heads.

 

However, everyone to their own, and this is what makes shooting so interesting.

 

Don

[bongo321]

I have to agree with your choice,

You are applying for what i was adviced to go for and so far i have no regrets, just recently i have a slot for another 22.250 but may change that if i feel the need.

 

You will have 22lr 17hmr for vermin and the 22Cf for fox and vermin, if you get 17 for fox then fine but but at the moment i dont but will have a chat with FLO and see if they will revert back to what it was on my ticket before renewal ; fox and vermin.

I will see.

 

Oh and dont forget to put down a mod for each Firearm , and while your at it why not put in for FAC air rifle you can always do a 1 for 1 later if you decide to

Thankyou good advice ,im perhaps not very clear , i do have fac air , 22lr , both with mods and applied for a 17hmr which is verbally granted The confusion started when i said fox as a reason as she was if'ing and but'ing So then she said for fox have a 17rem or 22mag and off we go . So thats when i thought if they have to do a land check for a 22mag and 17rem i may as well ask for a 22-250 the wait will be as long and then as you say i can 1 for 1

Edited November 16, 2010 by bongo321

[bongo321]

Thanks to everyone its great to have a different point of view atb gerry

[njc110381]

Personally I'm not a big follower of the .22-250. It burns a lot of powder and also wears out barrels more quicly than most .22's.

 

That said, it's a good calibre. You'll not have any trouble shooting Foxes with it and with just that use the barrel will last for ever. A better choice than the .17 Rem I'd say, although if it was me I'd have gone for a .223.

[Dekers]

Personally I'm not a big follower of the .22-250. It burns a lot of powder and also wears out barrels more quicly than most .22's.

 

That said, it's a good calibre. You'll not have any trouble shooting Foxes with it and with just that use the barrel will last for ever. A better choice than the .17 Rem I'd say, although if it was me I'd have gone for a .223.

 

 

As Above....

 

.........the 22-250 is an awesome calibre for laser like shooting, big noise, grunt and terminal effect....the BIG BUT is that in reality it's a pretty specialised calibre, it most certainly has a use but depending what you want to do, and the amount of use you intend to give it, then research lots before you buy...then buy a .223 or .243!

Edited November 17, 2010 by Dekers

[bongo321]

I just could not truelly decide so 22-250 seemed a good choice and if the land is passed i can allways do a 1 for 1 when im more informed and do decide to change . When you say about barrel wear how bad do you mean ? . Most people i must admit are pushing me toward the 22-250! and it does seem a good medium weight cal , 223 i think would be the only one i may opt for espeically if this barrel wear is bad i had not heard of that before are we talking 500 rounds or 10,000 if its 5000 i very much doubt i would get there , But i will most certainly look into that . Anyone else tell me about that ? . Well i thought i had cracked it with the 22-250 but seems i need to start over i may put a few in a hat and what i pull out go for . But thanks for the info , im off to find about barrel wear again thanks gerry ps i may stick with my sx3 lol

[Dekers]

I just could not truelly decide so 22-250 seemed a good choice and if the land is passed i can allways do a 1 for 1 when im more informed and do decide to change . When you say about barrel wear how bad do you mean ? . Most people i must admit are pushing me toward the 22-250! and it does seem a good medium weight cal , 223 i think would be the only one i may opt for espeically if this barrel wear is bad i had not heard of that before are we talking 500 rounds or 10,000 if its 5000 i very much doubt i would get there , But i will most certainly look into that . Anyone else tell me about that ? . Well i thought i had cracked it with the 22-250 but seems i need to start over i may put a few in a hat and what i pull out go for . But thanks for the info , im off to find about barrel wear again thanks gerry ps i may stick with my sx3 lol

 

Forums are full of personal opinions and facts, I guess this is a bit of both.

 

The 22-250 is not a Target calibre, so if you put the occasional shot down it in the field and look after the barrel, then barrel life should not be the greatest concern.

 

Every calibre has a use, and so does this, and rightly so in most cases 22-250 owners love their guns. I have 7 FAC tools and I don't have a use for a 22-250, but that is because I have a .223 and .243, if I want something laser like I just get an appropriate 243 round and it can do more than a 22-250. like I said above......research lots before you buy...then buy a .223 or .243!

Edited November 17, 2010 by Dekers

[6br]

if you go for a .22/250 and use it for just vermin and fox it will last a good few years, 2000 rounds in a stainless barrel are not uncommon,so 200 rounds a year

and your good for 10 years, the trick is don't let the barrel over heat and clean properly.

[njc110381]

I didn't really mean to throw a spanner in the works with my comment - if you're Fox shooting with the gun the barrel life really isn't something to worry about as long as you don't have mad range days with it too. Basically barrels really don't like getting too hot and with the amount of powder the .22-250 burns in such a small barrel it does warm up fast.

 

It also sounds like the force are keen to keep you with a fairly small round when suggesting .17 Rem or .22 Mag. The .223 is a small step up from the .17 Rem, the .22-250 is about as big as you can go in .22 calibre!

[al4x]

if you aren't after deer and want a really good fox round there is no problem with the 22-250 I know a lot of keepers who use them as fox guns and they are very good at it. Yes it does use a fair bit of powder but you do get something back from that and lets face it how many of us use enough centrefire rounds to worry about cost. Even if you buy factory if you just shoot foxes then its well worth the money and you will be very lucky to be buying more than 10 boxes a year. However if you want to plink or shoot other vermin then a .223 will work out a fair bit cheaper

[Scully]

I haven't read all the posts regarding this topic,so if this has already been covered I apologise.

I've had a .22mag since Ruger brought out one in their M77 and I think it's a great round.But since the advent of the .17HMR the resale prices of the .22mag have died a death.Just something to bear in mind before you buy.

[Dead-Eyed Duck]

Why would you want to buy a 22-250 as against a 223?

 

The only reason is if you expect to come across a fair number of foxes over 250 yards, and if that's the case then the 22-250 would make the job easier.

 

Other than that the 223 is the gun to get. Most foxes are shot at well under 200 yards, and my average range is probably 100 - 150 yards or so.

 

I've had a fair amount of experience with both, and that's the conclusion I came to...

 

Don