al4x Posted December 21, 2010 Report Share Posted December 21, 2010 they are linked by the diff if its all working ok them turn one wheel and the other goes backwards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted December 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2010 they are linked by the diff if its all working ok them turn one wheel and the other goes backwards If I release the clutch, I get nothing but a clicking sound. If I spin the wheel, it just spins with no resistance. I don't have axle stands, so I couldn't check if the other spun the other way... ...Anyway, the guy's not arrived as he's waiting on someone to return a trailer :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted December 21, 2010 Report Share Posted December 21, 2010 Yes both sides would spin freely if one half shaft was broken. One side is still attached to the diff but it has no resistance the other side Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfletch Posted December 21, 2010 Report Share Posted December 21, 2010 Its not hard to check the half shafts Usually the short one snaps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted December 21, 2010 Report Share Posted December 21, 2010 get your spanners out Billy!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted December 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2010 I'll be home soon. I'll check them myself. Might save a few quid thanks to you lot. LR forum, Pfffttt! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted December 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2010 I couldn't shift those bolts for love nor money It's like they're welded on... Guess I'll wait until tomorrow until someone with a proper toolkit arrives Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted December 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2010 (edited) I take back what I said. I've got a socket set on route. I'll do it properly. This thread made me feel a million times more confident about it not needing a new diff Failure of the shaft is characterised by a loud bang from the axle, accompanied by loss of drive to the rear wheels. Edited December 21, 2010 by Billy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J@mes Posted December 21, 2010 Report Share Posted December 21, 2010 You own a green oval product yet don't own a heavy duty socket set? BFH 4ft scaffold bar Blow torch 3/4" or even 1" socket set with impact sockets. Mandatory items, I am surprised they don't come in the tool kit to be honest! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted December 21, 2010 Report Share Posted December 21, 2010 I couldn't shift those bolts for love nor money It's like they're welded on... Guess I'll wait until tomorrow until someone with a proper toolkit arrives Spray them with diesel (keep a litre in a squirty bottle windowlene style) and use that to loosen the bolts leave it to soak in overnight. if it hasnt been done and a shaft has gone repalce the fluid in the Diff cant remember if the diffs have a magnetic sump plug to catch the swarf and **** that builds up in the casing (if not see if you can get a one witha magnet on it to save further issues down the line HAlf shafts are cheaper, but get a pro to check for wear no good repalcing half shafts if the main gear is 90% worn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobbit Posted December 21, 2010 Report Share Posted December 21, 2010 (edited) range rover and defender 24 spline diffs are the same, (ratio 3.54) older series landrovers ARE different but 10 spline and 4.7 ratio. If the halfshaft has broken it usually breaks in the diff so you'll need to get the bit out, either by removing both halfshafts and the diff or by using one of these http://www.x-eng.co.uk/X-Shaft.asp ) change the oil anyway as you'll get the 'bits' from the broken shaft Edited December 21, 2010 by hobbit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted December 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2010 You own a green oval product yet don't own a heavy duty socket set? BFH 4ft scaffold bar Blow torch 3/4" or even 1" socket set with impact sockets. Mandatory items, I am surprised they don't come in the tool kit to be honest! I wish I'd read that earlier. One fractured socket later, I've given up and await a professional to arrive tomorrow with proper kit. Matergrip - Don't live up to their name. :oops: Honestly, ask me any question about the iPhone and I'm your man. Give me a car to fix and I'm useless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted December 21, 2010 Report Share Posted December 21, 2010 (edited) If the half shafts are OK and you have both wheels in the air as you spin one side the other will rotate in the opposite direction. If you have one wheel on the ground you won't be able to turn them if the half shafts are intact. Unless of course the diff is cattle trucked. they are linked by the diff if its all working ok them turn one wheel and the other goes backwards Fellas the turning force will go in the path of least resistance, so yes turning one wheel with the other off the ground will spin backwards ( less resistance than turning the gear box), with that wheel on the ground (or a tight brake) the prop (and gears) will turn (as long as the hand brake is off), but if a half shaft is broke then that is easy to turn, almost no resistance, however a stripped pinion gear would offer little resistance so with both wheels in the air the drive might spin the crown ring and not the opposite wheel. Edited December 21, 2010 by Paul223 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted December 21, 2010 Report Share Posted December 21, 2010 Matergrip - Don't live up to their name. :oops: Honestly, ask me any question about the iPhone and I'm your man. Give me a car to fix and I'm useless http://www.tooled-up.com/Product.asp?PID=26215 and http://www.tooled-up.com/Product.asp?PID=26261 should see you right.... Xmas is coming...... You will amass an impressive collection if you keep the LR for long.... a decent chest is also required Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted December 21, 2010 Report Share Posted December 21, 2010 (edited) I wish I'd read that earlier. One fractured socket later, I've given up and await a professional to arrive tomorrow with proper kit. Matergrip - Don't live up to their name. :oops: Honestly, ask me any question about the iPhone and I'm your man. Give me a car to fix and I'm useless Get yourself down to halfords and by some of their tools the professional range, fair play it's good stuff for the money you pay, if i had to replace all my gear then I'd be seriously considering using the halfords stuff http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_173083_langId_-1_categoryId_165572cm_cr=No+Campaign-_-Web+Activity-_-07-XMASP1-WORKSHOP-M-1-_-PRODCAT_ESPOTMAIN_165532-_-07-XMASP1-WORKSHOP-M-1 Edited December 21, 2010 by Paul223 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunganick Posted December 22, 2010 Report Share Posted December 22, 2010 Surely to check for broken half shaft you lock the diff. Just one side of the car up, see if the wheel spins, repeat on the other side. If neither wheels spin then they are intact and you have a diff related issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProteuS Posted December 22, 2010 Report Share Posted December 22, 2010 Landrover transmissions are notoriously weak compared to other manufacturers. Especially if going up a tyre size or using them a bit more off road. As mentioned half shafts are often the easy solution and standard replacements are cheap. If you don't want them to go again ashcrofts transmissions do heavy duty halfshafts cv's etc which are much much better and shouldn't break. If it is the halfshaft that has gone you will probably want to check for debris / damage in the diff too. The 3.54 diffs should be pretty similar, but remember land rover used the salsibury rear axle on the 110's for the extra strength. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigstevouk Posted December 22, 2010 Report Share Posted December 22, 2010 pm'd you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted December 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2010 Diagnosis so far... The Landy is in extremely good condition. The half shafts are in working order, so it's the diff. (The prop spins, so it's nothing further up from that) So sadly it's going to cost what I originally thought it would... Thanks all for your help. ..If there's something good to be got out of it all... One of the lads who helped me get it on the trailer does loads of lamping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George1990 Posted December 23, 2010 Report Share Posted December 23, 2010 You really need a gas gun to remove the drive flange bolts. You're lucky your socket split and you didn't end up having to extract a sheared bolt :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted December 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2010 You really need a gas gun to remove the drive flange bolts. You're lucky your socket split and you didn't end up having to extract a sheared bolt :o It did cross my mind, I'll be honest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted December 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2010 It's not the diff The guy says it's a broken drive flange. Apparently it's completely sheared and has never seen it happen before a diff has given way. All in all, a load cheaper than a new diff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilR Posted December 23, 2010 Report Share Posted December 23, 2010 That's handy Billy, a few more quid to spend on the xmas prezzies then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted December 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2010 That's handy Billy, a few more quid to spend on the xmas prezzies then Steady on now Still got to do the MOT on the 29th and Tax for the 31st Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted December 23, 2010 Report Share Posted December 23, 2010 still just think of the diesel you are saving with it living on a trailer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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