Bowen20 Posted January 1, 2011 Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 Ok im going to be getting a .223 soon when my variation comes back so ive been looking at lots and lots of rifles reading review after review and looking at what best suits my shooting needs.. but you cant beat a second opinion so here goes. Rifles in question in order of what i like the best: 1). Howa Model 1500 Thumbhole Varminter Supreme .223 comes with WILDCAT PREDATOR 8 SOUND MODERATOR all new £979.00 24 inch stainless barrell 1:12 twist 2). Remington .223 700 SPS Tactical screw cut £695.00 + WILDCAT PREDATOR 8 SOUND MODERATOR £235.00 all new. Total £930.00 20 inch barrell 1:9 twist 3). Remington .223 700 SPS Varmint screw cut £649.00 + WILDCAT PREDATOR 8 SOUND MODERATOR £235.00 all new. Total £884.00 26 inch barrell 1:12 Twist. Which would you guys go for if you had the choice or what would be your order of best to crapest? Thanks for your advice in advance guys. Cheers. Mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tikka.223 Posted January 1, 2011 Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 Tikka T3 Lite or Varmint? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted January 1, 2011 Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 Option 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowen20 Posted January 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 any reason on option 3? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted January 1, 2011 Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 What you doing with it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crouch valley Posted January 1, 2011 Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 Option 3. Ive got one in 243 never had a prob with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowen20 Posted January 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 Foxes most at night but some daytime rabbit shooting i wouldnt mind having a go at a bit of long range well around 300 yrds on wabbits and maybe a little further not done it before so would like to have the option. just i like the 2nd option but the 20 inch barrell puts me off a little and the stock being flexable heard poor things about it touching the barrell when using a bi pod and so on although i do like the rifle alot and action etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted January 1, 2011 Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 Long range work isn't really my thing. Maybe the faster twist could be a help if you really want to push things? The heavier bullets are supposed to work better for long range stuff? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12borejimbo Posted January 1, 2011 Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 What about the Sako or Tikka range? The good thing about the Rem 700 is you can custom it to the max, mates got one in .243 and looks the business, spent £5500 and got a Nightforce ontop, well ice rifle. As Dekers said earlier they are the Ford of rifles, mass produce and always do the job. Im sure whatever you choose it will be the right one, but your best bet is to go and pick one up to find out if its for you or not. I like the Howa 1500 with Hogue stock, nice and grippy, picked one up the other day, seems ok, but I would go for the Tikka T3 or the Rem 700 personally, If not Sako 75/85. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh warrior Posted January 1, 2011 Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 (edited) im in the very early days of getting my 223 but i do like the howa range hear good thing about them Edited January 1, 2011 by welsh warrior Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowen20 Posted January 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 Yeah I think I need to have a trip to the gunshop for a good look around and get a feel for things. Cheers guys and yeah someone earlier said a tikka t3 varmint they look nice and seem get get sub 1 inch groups at 100yds saw some vids on YouTube Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet boy Posted January 1, 2011 Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 Tikka T3!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted January 1, 2011 Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 (edited) Look, we all buy what we think we want/need and then in time hopefully get what is right. Personally the answer to your original question is NONE of them, I wouldn't consider any for your requirements, most have a flagpole of a barrel and ALL are stupidly heavy for walking more than a few yards with! I have a .223 T3 Lite Stainless with 19" barrel and P8 Mod, it V Bulls ALL day at 600 yards in the right hands and you can carry it around 24/7 in the field without crippling yourself! What is it that has headed you down the route of such heavy guns with generally such long barrels? ATB! Edit My T3 Lite is 1-8 twist, shoots everything between 40-75g! Edited January 1, 2011 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermincinerator Posted January 1, 2011 Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 (edited) With a standard 1:12 twist 26" barrel at 300yds you are on the standard factory loaded ammunitions limit. if you want to stretch things further you need the 1:9 twist barrel to stabilise higher BC heavier bullets but NOT a 20" version, its estimated you shed about 50fps of velocity for every inch of barrel lost. Another consideration worth bearing in mind is that for 1:9 twist barrels there is little factory loaded ammo with suitable heavy bullets, this being the domain of the handloader. Ian. Edited January 1, 2011 by Vermincinerator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimmie Posted January 1, 2011 Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 Ok im going to be getting a .223 soon when my variation comes back so ive been looking at lots and lots of rifles reading review after review and looking at what best suits my shooting needs.. but you cant beat a second opinion so here goes. Rifles in question in order of what i like the best: 1). Howa Model 1500 Thumbhole Varminter Supreme .223 comes with WILDCAT PREDATOR 8 SOUND MODERATOR all new £979.00 24 inch stainless barrell 1:12 twist 2). Remington .223 700 SPS Tactical screw cut £695.00 + WILDCAT PREDATOR 8 SOUND MODERATOR £235.00 all new. Total £930.00 20 inch barrell 1:9 twist 3). Remington .223 700 SPS Varmint screw cut £649.00 + WILDCAT PREDATOR 8 SOUND MODERATOR £235.00 all new. Total £884.00 26 inch barrell 1:12 Twist. Which would you guys go for if you had the choice or what would be your order of best to crapest? Thanks for your advice in advance guys. Cheers. Mark. iv got a t3 hunter (wood stock) and its great,what put me off the remingtons was the lack of a detachable mag the same with the howa get a tikka you wont go wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V8 90 Posted January 1, 2011 Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 Another vote for a Tikka T3 ! I have a Varmint .223 - awesome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowen20 Posted January 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 Hmmmm seems loads of people have got a tikka I've looked at the tikka t3 varmint they look nice and aren't too pricey I will have to pick one up and have a look at them hopefully I will be able to get to a gunshop Tuesday thanks guys your advice has been taken on board Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bongo321 Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 (edited) Hi mate my view , Remmy700 223 tactical ,sub 1" groups @100yds easy , houge stock nice grippy a bit flexy but does not affect poi , if i use a bipod i fix it so the legs folds forward ,it just puts the legs a little further back . A good basic rifle as stated plenty of customiseing options a good all rounder , i know ive had one for 3wks more than pleased and i chose on what felt ok to me not on price! , good hunting gb Edited January 2, 2011 by bongo321 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrelsniffer Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 Another one for the Tikka T3 lite..in 1-8 twist..although mine is about to get re-barreled to 1-9..but still have another with standard 1-8 barrel with my NV on it...accurate rifles and light enough to carry all day. and choice of bullets 50 to 75 gn. if reloading. Mick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunganick Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 T3 Not the Howa, many will disagree, i dont care. Remington seem to work very well out of the box, not sure if their triggers are still rough/require replacing? Fister is the local expert on Rem's Be careful about buying a Varmint barrel, hunter profile barrels are (in my experience) just as accurate over 5 shots. And your accuracy wont be affected by lugging the thing around. It also wont limit your choice of mods. Also for what its worth, the faster twist rates in some models of the TIkka seem to still work fine with 50 grains, even if on paper this might not be the perfect twist. Tikka/Sako are not new to this, they wouldn't of done it if it was going to prevent you using light Varmint rounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colster Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 At the risk of repeating myself... Browning A-Bolt screwcut - £488 Predator 8 Compact - £200 Total - £688 ....and the Browning (like the Tikka) has a mag AND floorplate. The prices above are what I paid for a .243 but should hold for .223 too if you shop about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunganick Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 The A bolt is an impressive package, Sussexlads brother has one that is very nicely made indeed and equally effective. However this video and several reports of barrels falling to bits after loading error do leave me slightly concerned. Yes your an idiot if your reloading causes this, but i would rather be an idiot with a left hand, which i wouldn't be with a Rem 700 or A bolt by the looks of that video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4AqMl1A4aQ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dempy Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 I have a Howa in .243 and a Remi in 22.250, the Remi is a better rifle, more acurate. But is does have a better scope. but i would still go with optoin 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dempy Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 How about this??? http://www.sportsmanguncentre.co.uk/product/544bbf2eed431db343715843/TIKKA+T3+'28Laminate+'2F+Stainless'29+ZEISS+COMBO/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ears Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 yes i think these guys are right i would most certainly go for a Tikka T3 1/12 twist. i am still using a tikka m595 great. 15 years hard work and only lost the cap off the back off the bolt housing.and i could still buy the cap from GMK but havent yet. faultless if you look after em. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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