woodcock11 Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 Hi I have previously - along with many others - ranted on about the dangers of chainsaws in the hands of those who have had no training and who wear no safety clothing - a dreadful accident waiting to happen. However, I think this takes the biscuit. In today's edition of The Times newspaper, there is a full page ad from a Company called T2 Direct Limited [Technology in the Home] advertising a Powerful 45 cc Eckman Petrol Chainsaw with a Large 18" Oregon Chain & Bar and Massive 1.7 kW of Engine Power! I have never heard of Eckman but methinks you could do an awful - and I mean -awful lot of damage to yourself and others with this piece of kit. Oh yes, and it is yours for just £99.95 saving £40 and with FREE 7 day delivery and a 12-month guarantee! The only reference to "safety" is to an "instant" automated chain brake and - oh yes - there are "useful guides for the first time user on how to use the saw in a variety of situations". OK so the ad is in The Times [billed as the top people's paper] but I bet they are just as big muppets when it comes to handling a chainsaw as those who may read papers whose main content is pictures rather than words! There is no mention of safety kit, in the form of boots, trousers, gloves, helmet or visor anywhere in the ad. Is there any legal eagle out there who can give an opinion on whether there is a case for negligence or something else if the muppet purchaser lops off his or someone else's limbs whilst working with his new all singing all dancing powerful 45cc Eckman Petrol Chainsaw? Remember - it is clearly advertised as being for the "first time user" who can go out and use it without any professional training or - presumably - any mention of wearing safety gear. Who - hand on heart - ever reads the "useful guides"? Virgin chainsaw muppit will just fire it up and off he will go.... It is bad enough someone selling them in a specialist shop - but to sell them by mail order? Any other thoughts out there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hambone Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 OK so the ad is in The Times [billed as the top people's paper] but I bet they are just as big muppets when it comes to handling a chainsaw as those who may read papers whose main content is pictures rather than words! Possibly bigger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodcock11 Posted January 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 OK so the ad is in The Times [billed as the top people's paper] but I bet they are just as big muppets when it comes to handling a chainsaw as those who may read papers whose main content is pictures rather than words! Possibly bigger Thanks hambone - I read it! Lets not start on the Daily Torygraph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 well argos sell chainsaws....there will be a bit in the box about safety precautions which will basically say "do not use" but no one will read it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conygree Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 I like the term 'Virgin Chainsaw Muppet' - yep too dangerous. True I have 5 saws and been using them for years with all the PPM and I don't have a 'ticket' (yet- applying soon) but I have been using heavy powertools for say 45 yrs and with engineering, heavy lifting, construction supervising etc, so I put into my work alot of experience. For the average modern guy who has never used a power tool or even learnt some skills from his dad to pick up a chainsaw with no PPE is madness and with an 18" bar on a 41cc saw - it only needs an 14" bar max for most jobs. With the average chainsaw accident needing 50 stitches typically on the right leg, hands and face, I supprised there is no requirement for PPM to be inclusive in the sale eg' buying a bike a bell & reflectors must be fitted. For a few extras I have a field dressing tapped to the back of my safety helmet, and a phone always in my jacket and if working with my son we both 'talk the job through' before starting & wear extra hi-vis just to be that bit safer - nothing his happened yep but I not taking chances. I know of 2 'clever' guys one a top airline pilot the other a multi millionair who never wear any PPE or have the slightest clue on saw safety, the latter tried to impress me on how fast he could saw up a tree - I walked off & let him finish but told him I would only be impressed if he used PPE and learnt some tree skills. For me like most guys there is no such thing as a quick job - ends in hospital. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrycatcat1 Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 Daft question even for a muppet like me but whats PPE is it like lol and DILLIGAF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silpig5 Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 Daft question even for a muppet like me but whats PPE is it like lol and DILLIGAF personal protection equipement , does it look like i give a ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheene7 Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 Daft question even for a muppet like me but whats PPE is it like lol and DILLIGAF PPE = Personal protective equipment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrycatcat1 Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
officerdibble777 Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 Daft question even for a muppet like me but whats PPE is it like lol and DILLIGAF personal protection equipment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrycatcat1 Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 personal protection equipment cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libs Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 A bit of common applied for back garden chopping will see you through I think. I only wear a hat/visor/ear def combo becuase bits hit you in the face and its very loud no matter what! I opted not to spend >£100 on ppe even though many on here will say thats stupid. SO FAR the only thing I have cut is wood and I inted to keep it that way by not being a daft wally and concentrating on what I am doing. If I was to ever start holding the saw over my head and swinging from a tree with it, I would have to be dreaming because there is no way its happening now or in the future. I think selling saws without good advice or 'stylish' clobber is a great way of helping to bump up the dying trend of natural selection. Let the dimwits 'cut' themselves out of the gene pool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcleod Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 I think there is a difference in the type of injury you receive from a domestic saw v's the professional variety. I have heard that denim protects better! This is natural selection at it's greatest. ATB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conygree Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 I think there is a difference in the type of injury you receive from a domestic saw v's the professional variety. I have heard that denim protects better! This is natural selection at it's greatest. ATB like he who wears PPE lives. No you don't get 'man-points' for limping around, to me that's a deadend evolution failure. PPE need not be expensive, look on 'mister solutions' for cheap PPE (NO VAT no PPE) you only need a helmet, trousers, gloves & boots and you can always use the boots for workwear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 I'm sure there will be plenty of bits of paper covered in warnings inside the box. If people choose not to use protection, it is, ulitmately, their fault if they injure themselves. If they are an employee it is entireley different and there are training requirements etc etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 I had a little run in a long time ago with my 260 and thank god I was wearing steel toes. I required an underwear change after that I went out the next day and now I have the helmet and boots (I couldnt afford trousers/chaps at the time)and done the course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 If people choose not to use protection, it is, ulitmately, their fault if they injure themselves. If they are an employee it is entireley different and there are training requirements etc etc Thats great but we pick up the bill, perhaps not bad if they do it properly but otherwise we have to pay for treatment, recovery, prosthesis, physio, then potentially disability benefits etc because they were too "manly" to wear safety gear. Edward if you've done the course you have no excuse for no having full PPE and you were very very lucky I know a guy who lost 3 toes when he slipped mowing a bank in his parents garden, fell down the bank mower flipped foot went in! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 (edited) Hi I have previously - along with many others - ranted on about the dangers of chainsaws in the hands of those who have had no training and who wear no safety clothing - a dreadful accident waiting to happen............Any other thoughts out there? Yup, a friend went on a chainsaw safety course, there were others there doing some advanced thing and he was left alone on the last day to cut "any" tree. Apparently he wasn`t supposed to cut a tree this diameter but wasn`t told not to. He cut it successfully and set about snedding it, he didn`t see a branch caught from another tree which when cut flew up and hit him square in the face. His skull was in bits and he has been bolted back together, however, it goes to show that a "Safety" course cannot cover every aspect. Post script, the HSE are now involved Edited January 5, 2011 by henry d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulf Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 (edited) Saw safety is an interesting one. I use a saw atleast once a week all year if not daily in the Autumn and winter and run 3 70cc saws, 2 stihl MS 441 and a Husqy 575, I have done my tickets aside from using chainsaws for while before hand with and without PPE. These days the vast majority of the time I use Full PPE and on the odd occasion when I'm doing something quick or at home then always a helmet and boots. IMO one of the most important things is common sense and understanding how the saw and wood is likely to react and keeping a good body stance. PPE is just a secondary protection although I consider the helmet and absolute must. My top tip is to stick a large wound dressing inside a zip lock bag and either push it under or tape it under the webbing of the helmet, as long as you have the helmet on you always have emergency aid to hand, a full first aid kit in the land rover or workshop is no use if your 500 yards or more away and bleeding heavily. Edited January 6, 2011 by paulf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conygree Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 (edited) Paulf - [My top tip is to stick a large wound dressing inside a zip lock bag and either push it under or tape it under the webbing of the helmet, as long as you have the helmet on you always have emergency aid to hand, a full first aid kit in the land rover or workshop is no use if your 500 yards or more away and bleeding heavily. Snap, or trapped under a bough - see my earlier post With the whiplash accident, trees are just as dangerous on the ground or hungup. I have the choise If I don't like it then I walk away. Last year I fitted a large winch to the back of my L200 to pull out hangups etc and make the job a bit safer, must put in some pictures. I try to work safe but treework always carries extra danger, my tip is take plenty of time to assess the job and have frequent breaks and use the break to have another look at the job. My best example of DIY felling was a mathamatitian who wanted to fell a tree in his garden, so he calculated the centre of gravity and started work - but the tree fell through nextdoors green house :o Edited January 6, 2011 by Conygree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berties Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 Hi I have previously - along with many others - ranted on about the dangers of chainsaws in the hands of those who have had no training and who wear no safety clothing - a dreadful accident waiting to happen. However, I think this takes the biscuit. In today's edition of The Times newspaper, there is a full page ad from a Company called T2 Direct Limited [Technology in the Home] advertising a Powerful 45 cc Eckman Petrol Chainsaw with a Large 18" Oregon Chain & Bar and Massive 1.7 kW of Engine Power! I have never heard of Eckman but methinks you could do an awful - and I mean -awful lot of damage to yourself and others with this piece of kit. Oh yes, and it is yours for just £99.95 saving £40 and with FREE 7 day delivery and a 12-month guarantee! The only reference to "safety" is to an "instant" automated chain brake and - oh yes - there are "useful guides for the first time user on how to use the saw in a variety of situations". OK so the ad is in The Times [billed as the top people's paper] but I bet they are just as big muppets when it comes to handling a chainsaw as those who may read papers whose main content is pictures rather than words! £85 for a 20" 52cc on eBay to your door,yes very scary,even getting the blade on has got it's problems ,to tight to loose, run it for 5 mins check again,make sure after adjusting you only have a pinch off the bar,kick back how to avoid it the whole process is full of problems,I have seen a saw injury and it just looked like a net begged Sunday roast,ppe must be worn ,but how can it be policed, There is no mention of safety kit, in the form of boots, trousers, gloves, helmet or visor anywhere in the ad. Is there any legal eagle out there who can give an opinion on whether there is a case for negligence or something else if the muppet purchaser lops off his or someone else's limbs whilst working with his new all singing all dancing powerful 45cc Eckman Petrol Chainsaw? Remember - it is clearly advertised as being for the "first time user" who can go out and use it without any professional training or - presumably - any mention of wearing safety gear. Who - hand on heart - ever reads the "useful guides"? Virgin chainsaw muppit will just fire it up and off he will go.... It is bad enough someone selling them in a specialist shop - but to sell them by mail order? Any other thoughts out there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSPUK Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 I used to use chainsaws but all sold now - did have leggings and hat but if anyone is in doubt watch this - it's grory but could give you a wake up call. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2PzgT9_2D4 if you are squeemish don't watch. dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conygree Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 Sorry can't watch this video (blocked while at work) in a Hospital may upset the A+E staff. No it's to stop us watching u-tube all day. Yep the picture says it all, the bit on the advert saying the chain stops in 0.5 sec - saws can do alot of cutting in 0.5 sec. try letting the trigger go and dropping the running saw into a dead rabbit - messy My best 'nutter' story was a guy in shorts & flipflops sawing logs across his bare leg holding the saw in one hand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 Yup, a friend went on a chainsaw safety course, there were others there doing some advanced thing and he was left alone on the last day to cut "any" tree. Apparently he wasn`t supposed to cut a tree this diameter but wasn`t told not to. He cut it successfully and set about snedding it, he didn`t see a branch caught from another tree which when cut flew up and hit him square in the face.......... Paulf - [My top tip is to stick a large wound dressing inside a zip lock bag and either push it under or tape it under the webbing of the helmet, as long as you have the helmet on you always have emergency aid to hand........ The above sent his helmet 20m away, I realise this is a seperate issue, but I would tape it to my braces etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookiemonsterandmerlin. Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 The above sent his helmet 20m away, I realise this is a seperate issue, but I would tape it to my braces etc. Or wear a proper arborist helment with chinstrap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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