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Also, if you see what damage they can do, no-one would hesitate do what the OP has done. I've seen them destroy woodpeckers nests, complete with chicks, mob songbirds getting too close to their "new home", and strip buds off trees and shrubs in landscaped gardens. So I for one am ok with "safe garden shooting"! But just to add, my garden is not safe for any type of shooting, plinking included, so they'll be safe IMBY :angry:

Open season on them then :good:

For me it is essential to have a good reason for shooting any bird or animal.

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I think what rattles some peoples cages is the "garden shooting" aspect :hmm:

In some gardens it's probably quite safe to do so. But then comes the ethics. Some do, some don't. But those that don't seem to think they are right to castigate those that do :rolleyes:

Lets just agree to disagree, as we all take our shooting responsibilities differently. For example, I won't shoot woodies on my lakes permission, even though it's surrounded by farmland. On the lakes they're doing no harm, and guided by the GL I leave them alone, and learn about them just by watching :yes:

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i know they're on the GL im not disputing that what i mean is whats the point of shooting it in your garden just for the sake of it? was it really causing that much harm-im totaly for controling them in the right situations-why wouldnt i be, all im saying is i dont think its right shooting a single one for a trophy in your back garden when it wasnt causing know harm.

 

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But the parakeet is non-native, it would have the same status as mink if it were nit for the fact that it's avian and therefore the GL applies.

Now I'm certainly not a shoot anything type but these things really need to be controlled

 

Personally I have no arguement with what you say and agree, the problem is the powers that be decided to put in on the GL in 2010. :hmm:

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Good old Dekers, since he joined this forum his waffling have entertained me immensely. He would argue black was white if he felt so inclined but on this occasion to cover up his misunderstanding of the GL and he a professional pest controller to boot he is trying to muddy the water by bringing such things as the Deer Act and Roe being non native.

 

Come on chaps, read and understand the law then go forth and shoot the little *******, it's perfectly legal and Dekers needs a few more for his parrot pie.

 

 

If you can argue the case for your back garden then fine! Most will struggle!

 

http://www.naturalengland.org.uk/Images/wml-gl05_tcm6-24150.pdf

 

http://www.naturalengland.org.uk/Images/wml-gl04_tcm6-24149.pdf

 

http://www.naturalengland.org.uk/Images/wml-gl06_tcm6-24151.pdf

 

It is illegal to shoot/kill them outside of the terms of the GL.

 

And as a matter of interest how big a garden do you have that can keep the pellet/bullet/shot in the boundry, they tend to land at the top of trees, I have never seen one on the ground! :hmm:

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@ No-one in particular,,,,, :D

I've been trying for a permission in some back gardens after rabbits. Next to farm land. Each "garden" covers about 3/4 of an acre. My own garden is the size of a postage stamp and closely overlooked. Each circumstance is different to yours, so don't compare it with yours. If people want to shoot in their gardens, then let them. You can't tell them it's wrong, as in their case it might be ok. Also if they get into bother for doing so, that's their problem. Just don't go ramming your morals/ethics down their throats.

Now if it was a native species shot in the garden,,,, then I'll be asking the questions too :yes:

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I rather think that people are taking this too much to be an issue of if you can shoot them in your back gaden or not, the size and legalities of shooting in anyones back garden is a side issue that may well have some relevance, but is not the primary issue here.

 

This has nothing to do with morals or ethics it is to do with the law, read the GL conditions and IF you can comply with that in your back garden then fine.

 

Most will struggle!

 

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If you do not wish to comply with the law then that is your issue, but probably not a good idea to advertise the fact on a public forum!

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@ No-one in particular,,,,, :D

I've been trying for a permission in some back gardens after rabbits. Next to farm land. Each "garden" covers about 3/4 of an acre. My own garden is the size of a postage stamp and closely overlooked. Each circumstance is different to yours, so don't compare it with yours. If people want to shoot in their gardens, then let them. You can't tell them it's wrong, as in their case it might be ok. Also if they get into bother for doing so, that's their problem. Just don't go ramming your morals/ethics down their throats.

Now if it was a native species shot in the garden,,,, then I'll be asking the questions too :yes:

 

i dont think thats right. i would rather know if i did something wrong so i dont repeat the mistake.

 

also everytime someone makes a mistake with a gun, all shooters look bad so its in our best interests to educate everyone.

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i dont think thats right. i would rather know if i did something wrong so i dont repeat the mistake.

 

also everytime someone makes a mistake with a gun, all shooters look bad so its in our best interests to educate everyone.

 

Yes, what I wrote looks like I condone any type of garden shooting, just do what you like, that's your problem :blush:

That's definately not what I meant, so I'll change that to what Dekers has said, quote "just don't put it up on open forum", that's what I really meant.

By all means, it's good that people ask, that's how we all learn, but then it's peoples own responsibility what they do after that.

 

As for complying to the GL, see here http://www.naturalengland.org.uk/Images/wml-gl05_tcm6-24150.pdf item O)

I think this may cover the OP :good:

 

regards

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I don't get your point - they are a species we need to remove from our habitat as they are causing increasingly more problems.

 

 

maybe we have different morals then... If you garden was being mobbed by crows and magpies etc obviously you would take measures to control them,if a canadian goose landed in your garden would you shoot that to? it is classed as a pest species now! all im stating is that to me its un-sportsman like as much as you can say they are increasingly causing more problems i just dont feel the need to shoot one in my garden just to say i've shot one and whoever brought up the subject of mink-mink are a completely different kettle of fish than parakeet.

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Yes, what I wrote looks like I condone any type of garden shooting, just do what you like, that's your problem :blush:

That's definately not what I meant, so I'll change that to what Dekers has said, quote "just don't put it up on open forum", that's what I really meant.

By all means, it's good that people ask, that's how we all learn, but then it's peoples own responsibility what they do after that.

 

As for complying to the GL, see here http://www.naturalengland.org.uk/Images/wml-gl05_tcm6-24150.pdf item O)

I think this may cover the OP :good:

 

regards

 

sorry wasnt having a go you are right in what you were saying, i just ment that sometime i dont mind that arguments on the forum because usually the truth comes out in the end!!!! :good:

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sorry wasnt having a go you are right in what you were saying, i just ment that sometime i dont mind that arguments on the forum because usually the truth comes out in the end!!!! :good:

 

No problems fella ;) and it isn't an arguement, it's a discussion :D:yes:

Without threads like this, how are people to learn? We are all still learning, right up to our last breath, and like you say, the truth, in this instance the wording in the GL, comes out in the end :yes:

That's if everyone agrees on the way it's written and their understanding of said words :hmm:

 

regards

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maybe we have different morals then... If you garden was being mobbed by crows and magpies etc obviously you would take measures to control them,if a canadian goose landed in your garden would you shoot that to? it is classed as a pest species now! all im stating is that to me its un-sportsman like as much as you can say they are increasingly causing more problems i just dont feel the need to shoot one in my garden just to say i've shot one and whoever brought up the subject of mink-mink are a completely different kettle of fish than parakeet.

 

Vermin and pest control is not sport. :no:

 

Alien species can impact on indigenous species quite badly. Geese eating grass isn't a disaster, but birds that go about wrecking others nests can be,as with mink feasting on endangered species.

 

There isn't an outcry about tree rats, so why these :hmm:

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Vermin and pest control is not sport. :no:

 

Alien species can impact on indigenous species quite badly. Geese eating grass isn't a disaster, but birds that go about wrecking others nests can be,as with mink feasting on endangered species.

 

There isn't an outcry about tree rats, so why these :hmm:

 

 

how can you compare a parakeet to a squirrel? they're completely different! if i was somewhere where parakeets were a problem i would shoot them,just because animals are classed as vermin doesn't mean you have to slaughter every single one you see. i shoot vermin over 1000's of acres over 7 farms and i find vermin control a sport and a challenge as well as a service to farmers and landowners.

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Vermin and pest control is not sport. :no:

 

Alien species can impact on indigenous species quite badly. Geese eating grass isn't a disaster, but birds that go about wrecking others nests can be,as with mink feasting on endangered species.

 

There isn't an outcry about tree rats, so why these :hmm:

 

also when i say un-sportsman like i mean showing animals some compassion not sports as in i do it for fun.

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OK, Explanation time.

 

My garden is small, but surrounded by trees and a six-foot fence.

The parakeet was nobbling the bird-table peanut-feeder placed there to attract indigenous species, and the clean head-shot was taken from a bedroom window.

 

So (for what it is worth), my justification was

 

1. The green parakeet is the general list as a pest species

2. It was interfering with the local indigenous birds by preventing them from feeding

3. I have fruit trees in the garden (OK, not in fruit at the moment, but are the doubters saying that I should wait until they are?)

4. I had a clean, safe shot

5. I was unlikely to be seen and upset the neighbours or passers-by

 

I use the same rationale for dealing with magpies, squirrels and pigeons in the garden.

 

I thought that this might create a debate!

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OK, Explanation time.

 

My garden is small, but surrounded by trees and a six-foot fence.

The parakeet was nobbling the bird-table peanut-feeder placed there to attract indigenous species, and the clean head-shot was taken from a bedroom window.

 

So (for what it is worth), my justification was

 

1. The green parakeet is the general list as a pest species

2. It was interfering with the local indigenous birds by preventing them from feeding

3. I have fruit trees in the garden (OK, not in fruit at the moment, but are the doubters saying that I should wait until they are?)

4. I had a clean, safe shot

5. I was unlikely to be seen and upset the neighbours or passers-by

 

I use the same rationale for dealing with magpies, squirrels and pigeons in the garden.

 

I thought that this might create a debate!

in them circumstances there is no problem shooting one-i just personally wouldn't thanks for clearing that up :good:

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Yes - they are an invasive foreign species that have been proven to be detrimental to native species, hence why they are on the GL

 

 

I don't get your point - they are a species we need to remove from our habitat as they are causing increasingly more problems.

 

 

Nick has answered the questions here already. :good:

 

The link between tree rats and these birds is the fact they are alien and detrimental to our indigenous wildlife. That's where they are similar.

 

 

 

also when i say un-sportsman like i mean showing animals some compassion not sports as in i do it for fun.

 

 

I firmly believe in quick humane dispatch.

I'm not sure you can show compassion to any animal you are about to kill.

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Nick has answered the questions here already. :good:

 

The link between tree rats and these birds is the fact they are alien and detrimental to our indigenous wildlife. That's where they are similar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I firmly believe in quick humane dispatch.

I'm not sure you can show compassion to any animal you are about to kill.

if you actually read my posts properly you realize you've completely missed the point-i DONT shoot absolutely every thing i see obviously you do! for instance if i was out shooting and a pigeon dropped on my head at 5 yards away i wouldn't shoot it because it would blow it to bits and be no good to no one,like i wouldn't shoot a pheasant on a driven day if i could poke it out the sky with my barrels thats showing compassion and sportsmanship.do you understand now?

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OK, Explanation time.

 

My garden is small, but surrounded by trees and a six-foot fence.

The parakeet was nobbling the bird-table peanut-feeder placed there to attract indigenous species, and the clean head-shot was taken from a bedroom window.

 

So (for what it is worth), my justification was

 

1. The green parakeet is the general list as a pest species

2. It was interfering with the local indigenous birds by preventing them from feeding

3. I have fruit trees in the garden (OK, not in fruit at the moment, but are the doubters saying that I should wait until they are?)

4. I had a clean, safe shot

5. I was unlikely to be seen and upset the neighbours or passers-by

 

I use the same rationale for dealing with magpies, squirrels and pigeons in the garden.

 

I thought that this might create a debate!

 

 

Hats off to you for an explanation, but in all reality you didn't need to ;)

As for causing a debate, yes,,,, and that's another good thing ;)

But,,,,, you've just fallen into the trap, highlighted in red above :blink: care to explain that one :/:hmm:

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Hats off to you for an explanation, but in all reality you didn't need to ;)

As for causing a debate, yes,,,, and that's another good thing ;)

But,,,,, you've just fallen into the trap, highlighted in red above :blink: care to explain that one :/:hmm:

 

they were most probably feral pigeons, and causing a health and safety problem, so ok to shoot them, as all other means of deterring them had failed :good:

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