tikka.223 Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 A few of us were talking about this in the local gun shop the other night,do you think there should be a closed season for foxes? One guy there has shot 260 foxes since last summer,another shot 230 last year and both sort of agreed it wouldnt hurt the fox population if say during the breeding season there was no shooting of foxes.One said he wont shot between now and July/August so the paired off foxes could breed and raise the cubs without one or other being shot,his thinking was shot a vixen now and your taking 4 or 5 out that you could remove later in the year. Whats your thoughts on this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 his thinking was shot a vixen now and your taking 4 or 5 out that you could remove later in the year. So he wants to preserve them so he has more to shoot later on in the year. know what most farmers would say to that. if he just wants targets tell him to join a club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12borejimbo Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 I was thinking the same thing as Mark. 260 is alot of gingers in one year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 his thinking was shot a vixen now and your taking 4 or 5 out that you could remove later in the year. So he wants to preserve them so he has more to shoot later on in the year. know what most farmers would say to that. if he just wants targets tell him to join a club. Maybe he's just preserving his shooting permission, and why would most farmers be miffed by this? what damage do they cause on arable land? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 (edited) Maybe he's just preserving his shooting permission, and why would most farmers be miffed by this? what damage do they cause on arable land? None at all so why shoot em in the first place. preserving his shooting permission ********. and why would most farmers be miffed by this them i shoot for have live stock and birds to look after. Edited February 6, 2011 by markbivvy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonk69 Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 i will be honest chaps i know next to nothing about the lifestyle or habits of the fox, but do realise they need to be controld, however a closed season during cub season wouldnt be a bad thing in my eyes, reason being i have no problem with shooting and killing foxes, but what about cubs that would starve to death if mum does not supply food?? bit of a rough way to die, am i wrong|?? cheeers matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albertan_J Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 Closed season on foxes lol heard it all now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 them i shoot for have live stock and birds to look after. Fair do's then chap if there's game birds involved on your perms, but they're not necessarily on his, you make him out to sound a right ****, do you know him or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 you make him out to sound a right ****, Sounds like he is, if all he is concerned about is numbers shot. Why leave them to breed just to take easy pickings at young foxes?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 you make him out to sound a right ****, Sounds like he is, if all he is concerned about is numbers shot. Why leave them to breed just to take easy pickings at young foxes?? Agreed, not about the **** bit as i couldn't possibly comment, but if the farmer wants them shot then i'd guess there's a good reason, and that now would be a good time to have a good clear up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ91 Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 i will be honest chaps i know next to nothing about the lifestyle or habits of the fox, but do realise they need to be controld, however a closed season during cub season wouldnt be a bad thing in my eyes, reason being i have no problem with shooting and killing foxes, but what about cubs that would starve to death if mum does not supply food?? bit of a rough way to die, am i wrong|?? cheeers matt i have to agree but disagree aswell not a nice way for any animal to go but... what about all other animals that are shot...any animal shot may mean we have taken a mother away from its young and left them to starve,..the only way to solve would be a closed seaon for all animals but then we have the problem of pigeons breeding and bringing off young nearly all year round now. its a harsh truth but sometimes we do kill more than the 1 we shoot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 A few of us were talking about this in the local gun shop the other night,do you think there should be a closed season for foxes? One guy there has shot 260 foxes since last summer,another shot 230 last year and both sort of agreed it wouldnt hurt the fox population if say during the breeding season there was no shooting of foxes.One said he wont shot between now and July/August so the paired off foxes could breed and raise the cubs without one or other being shot,his thinking was shot a vixen now and your taking 4 or 5 out that you could remove later in the year. Whats your thoughts on this? As regarding preserving "sport" no 100% against a closed season I shoot Foxes because they are preditory pests with no real non human preditors and need control to protect stock, game and other more important species on the ground in question. I do not normally shoot them unless i have to when there are likely to be dependant cubs on humanitarian grounds though and if i do have to deal with a nursing Vixen believe in a good effort to find those dependant young. So regarding welfare i am 100% in agreement in favour of a closed season. Thing is get your reasons right for killing in the first place and the question sort of answers itself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 but if the farmer wants them shot so why not shoot them all year round IF they are a problem. which they cant be if you can afford to leave em for breeding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codling99 Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 i allways stop lamping around march till september,not to help them out,just the grass a bit long on most my farms,and the light nights and early mornings make it harder too,wouldnt turn down an opportunity to shoot a fox any time of year though if situation arose.concentrate on crows,pigeons and fishing through summer months instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 but if the farmer wants them shot so why not shoot them all year round IF they are a problem. which they cant be if you can afford to leave em for breeding. One said he wont shot between now and July/August got to be the easiest months of the lot to shoot cubs, sounds like a nice man (not) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albertan_J Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 Stop shooting during lambing? Farmers will love you :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tikka.223 Posted February 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 Stop shooting during lambing? Farmers will love you :blink: Exactly my thoughts,but I cant understand why 2 guys who shoot more than there fair share in a year would want to give the foxes a break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 Exactly my thoughts,but I cant understand why 2 guys who shoot more than there fair share in a year would want to give the foxes a break. Perhaps they're just full of BS? the real figure could be maybe a tenth of what they say. We've all heard some tall stories in the past, what's their primary reason for shooting foxes? If live stock are at risk then there is no room for sentiment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duncan Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 Closed season on foxes lol heard it all now On that basis we should halt rabbit shooting during the breeding season too - Feb to November? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian750 Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 (edited) On that basis we should halt rabbit shooting during the breeding season too - Feb to November? +1 :lol: To be honest, where I live a visit from Charlie is unlikely to be social in nature whatever time of year, so in the interests of my hens, Charlie is gonna get shot! Edited February 7, 2011 by Ian750 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 Perhaps they're just full of BS? the real figure could be maybe a tenth of what they say. We've all heard some tall stories in the past, what's their primary reason for shooting foxes? If live stock are at risk then there is no room for sentiment. this is the right answer, If you have gamebirds down or lambs / piglets then someone saying you couldn't shoot predators would be a joke. Ok its not nice leaving cubs to die but you do have to get both vixen and dog before that happens. ask keepers and most will get the adults then in the days the cubs would be gassed or terriers put in. Its about pest control not some idealistic approach to countryside management Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albertan_J Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 On that basis we should halt rabbit shooting during the breeding season too - Feb to November? Be interesting explaining that to the farmers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duncan Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 Be interesting explaining that to the farmers Tell me about it! I gave our local farmer the 'heads up' about Environment Agency checks on how certain farms dispose of their commercial waste (he keeps burning plastic feed bags, used asbestos sheets etc etc next to the bridle way). He went ballistic! Imagine telling him that rabbits have a closed season - I think his head would literally explode! Serve him right though - curmudgeonly so-and-so he is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobba Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 Is it not a similar situation with rabbits? My permissions are all arables. Lots and lots of baby bunnies munching their way to adulthood is a lot of damage. I am asked to shoot them whatever their size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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