Osgoodbyshooter Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 Hi all, just looking at getting into foxing & was going to do my variation. Which gun should i apply for? Should i go for a .222 or a .223? Just woondered on gun prices & bullet prices? If anyone could help me decide. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmar fudd Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 i have freinds who have both they are both good foxing calibers, but if it was me i'd go for the .223 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 .223 everytime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 .223 everytime Why ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy Holt Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 Why ? because they dont have a .222 either do the job, .223 is more fashionable now but the old fashioned triple is still a more than adiquate foxing gun and dead easy to home load for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CZ550Kevlar Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 .223 hand down win i`m afraid, .222 is an odd calibre not used that much making factory rounds virtually impossible to find and not a great range of bullet weights for reloading, also the rifles themselves are a pain to obtain and shift on, .223`s fly off the shelves and sell quickly privatly. reloading .223 there are a mass of weights etc giving you lots of possible results depending on your style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 Why ? Rifles are esier to come by. Ammunition is esier to come by and in greater selection. More accurate at longer range so im old. Legal for deer(not sure the .222 is) Military ammunition is esier to come by as is components. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy Holt Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 .223 hand down win i`m afraid, .222 is an odd calibre not used that much making factory rounds virtually impossible to find and not a great range of bullet weights for reloading erm to be polite that's ******** .. you can get .222 factory loads easy enough, granted there is a limited selection but they all go bang and kill foxes As for the greater range of Bullet weights.. it's the same heads in a .222 as a .223, the only real difference is .223 is better with the heavier weights over 50 grains. Most folk shoot foxes with 40 grainer's from their .223 which are just as effective when shot out a .222 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy Holt Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 Legal for deer(not sure the .222 is) It is in Scotland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 Rifles are esier to come by. Ammunition is esier to come by and in greater selection. More accurate at longer range so im old. Legal for deer(not sure the .222 is) Military ammunition is esier to come by as is components. Most if not all manufacturers chamber new rifles in .222. Only if you want to use heavy bullets for target shooting which will require a different twist rate. .222 is as deer legal as .223. Who uses mil surp for foxing. Remember that the .222 was the choice of bench rest shooters and was not replaced by the .223. The humble .222 should not be dismissed out of hand by half truths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 .222 and .223 legal for CWD and Muntjac in England and Wales at 1000ft lb plus, etc etc, also legal for Roe in Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 Thought the 22-250 was the 'ultimate foxing round'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 Most if not all manufacturers chamber new rifles in .222. Only if you want to use heavy bullets for target shooting which will require a different twist rate. .222 is as deer legal as .223. Who uses mil surp for foxing. Remember that the .222 was the choice of bench rest shooters and was not replaced by the .223. The humble .222 should not be dismissed out of hand by half truths. I chuckle so much at your posts ...the .222 is dead in the water and fewer and fewer manufacturers now chamber it, including Remington (as in the REMINGTON .222). Military ammo in 5.56 is higher pressure than .223 and should not be used, so nothing to do with anything! .222 factory ammo is getting harder and harder to find and will continue to get harder. If you reload then by all means consider a .222, as you will pick up a used rifle at a good price, and they are still a decent caliber, plenty of heads for reloading. If you do not reload then do not consider a .222, go the .223 route! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blindeye Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 Thought the 22-250 was the 'ultimate foxing round'? another vote for the ultimate fox calibre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 I chuckle so much at your posts ...the .222 is dead in the water and fewer and fewer manufacturers now chamber it, including Remington (as in the REMINGTON .222). Military ammo in 5.56 is higher pressure than .223 and should not be used, so nothing to do with anything! .222 factory ammo is getting harder and harder to find and will continue to get harder. If you reload then by all means consider a .222, as you will pick up a used rifle at a good price, and they are still a decent caliber, plenty of heads for reloading. If you do not reload then do not consider a .222, go the .223 route! Excellent Deckers ...................touchet . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennyblanco Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 I would and did go .223 just because that is what the Steyr came in, they use the same bullet heads so as long as you are reloading ammunition should not be a problem and there is very little difference in performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osgoodbyshooter Posted March 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 Excellent debate by the sound of it guys. But it sounds like the .223 is what its all about. Just on a note: Is the .243 over the top for foxing? Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennyblanco Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 Excellent debate by the sound of it guys. But it sounds like the .223 is what its all about. Just on a note: Is the .243 over the top for foxing? Regards if I could go back I would have had .243 for everything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 Just on a note: Is the .243 over the top for foxing? no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osgoodbyshooter Posted March 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 (edited) I have held my FAC for three years now with a .22 & 17hmr, I kind of thought that a .222 or .223 would be easier to apply for, would the Fire arms office have any issues with me applying straight to a .243? Edited March 13, 2011 by Osgoodbyshooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 north yorkshire, not a problem by all accounts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 I've found the guys in North Yorkshire faultless to deal with. Give land and good reason and all will be right in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmshooter Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 i have just got a .223, i wasnt granted a .243 due to the fact it was a deer legal caliber, even though thats not what i wanted it for, they advised me to do dsc1 first then reaply for a deer caliber, and i no its legal a .223 in scotland but im in hampshire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 Other things to factor in are, will you ever be shooting deer & which kind ? What distance are you likely to be shooting at? If it`s a yes to the first Q then .243, if No, then either .222 or .223. If it`s 300yds or more then .223, but ask yourself are you a good enough shot and is the ammo you intend to use good enough ? If No, or you aren`t sure .222 and reload for it. I got my triple in the NE of England at a sweet price, because they thought it was a defunct calibre way back then and was only fox legal. I use it for roe and it knocks them down as good as the 6.5x55. I now re-load and am confident enough with my ammo to shoot out to 250 for fox and crows and hope to push that to 300 with a few more test loads. The cases are easy to get hold of, take a tenth less powder than the .223, so cheaper and no need to faff about with different bullet weights. I stick to 50gn apart from recently having a try with 40gn for paper punching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 (edited) **EDIT** double post Edited March 14, 2011 by henry d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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