Mungler Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 Blimey, this makes your blood run cold. http://video.l3.fbcdn.net/cfs-l3-snc6/81489/34/1605260179420_2624.mp4?oh=ac31b4d8738221641ba490396dc19636&oe=4D7F9F00&l3s=20110313100648&l3e=20110315101648&lh=0a6cfa5eeaecd6dc12abf The start of the film makes it look quite mild.... but if you jump forward in time on the clip (a few hops) and you will see what it builds into, and quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CZ550Kevlar Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 I`m sorry if this is abit heartless but you have to be in awe of what this planet is capable of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 Blimey, this makes your blood run cold. http://video.l3.fbcdn.net/cfs-l3-snc6/81489/34/1605260179420_2624.mp4?oh=ac31b4d8738221641ba490396dc19636&oe=4D7F9F00&l3s=20110313100648&l3e=20110315101648&lh=0a6cfa5eeaecd6dc12abf The start of the film makes it look quite mild.... but if you jump forward in time on the clip (a few hops) and you will see what it builds into, and quickly. Jeezus H Christ. That's a drastic way to move house. The guy filming it must have been bricking hisself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 There are a lot of people, especially senior citizens, who will never forget how the Japanese treated their Prisoners of War and will never forgive them for it but you have to feel for so many people suffering because of a tragic "act of god" like this. We all too often forget how destructive things like this can be and how much devestation the forces of nature can cause! Not taking any sympathy away from those that have lost their families or homes I think we need to start worrying about the nuclear radiation leaks if the other reactors break down, it will certainly be a much more serious threat to the world than Chernoval (sp)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 (edited) I don't think 70 year old events have any relevance to the tragedy unfolding in Japan, it's a little crass to even mention it. If I remember correctly the people of that country already paid an enormous price for those mistakes. My heart goes out to the survivors of such a monumental natural tragedy, its testament to the engineering and building skills of the Japanese that almost all their structures survived the initial quake, who could have imagined the enormous resulting tsunami and made plans to cope with that also? As I understand it, any radiation that may be released is more likely to drift in the direction of the western seaboard of the United States. Edited March 14, 2011 by mick miller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr W Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 Just read that the quake shifted the earth's axis by 10", makes you realise how inconsequential we are in the grand scheme of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 Just read that the quake shifted the earth's axis by 10", makes you realise how inconsequential we are in the grand scheme of things. 4" movement in the tilt of the Earth, shortening the day by 1/1 millionth of a second, Japan is now 8 feet closer to the states although some parts are as much as 13 feet closer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 The nuclear power station is worrying. Knowing the Japanese as I do they won't readily admit that things are bad because of the "loss of face". The rumour mill amongst the Japanese is going mad and none of it is predicting good things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 (edited) I don't think 70 year old events have any relevance to the tragedy unfolding in Japan, it's a little crass to even mention it. If I remember correctly the people of that country already paid an enormous price for those mistakes. Can't believe you actually posted that Frenchie!!! Edited March 14, 2011 by Vipa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 (edited) Well, I'm no expert by a long, long way. But that won't stop me speculating; isn't the hydrogen gas that has built up a direct result of fuel rods that have been exposed to the atmosphere, which means there must at least be a partial meltdown of the reactors? The fact that there has been a release of radiation suggests to my untrained, ignorant brain that there has been a breach. I hope, or rather pray, that I'm wrong. Edited March 14, 2011 by mick miller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 (edited) Well, I'm no expert by a long, long way. But that won't stop me speculating; isn't the hydrogen gas that has built up a direct result of fuel rods that have been exposed to the atmosphere, which means there must at least be a partial meltdown of the reactors? The fact that there has been a release of radiation suggests to my untrained, ignorant brain that there has been a breach. I hope, or rather pray, that I'm wrong. # Modern reactors (as far as I can understand) have the fissile material contained in a seperate housing within the main reactor structure (unlike Chernobyl) This vessel is designed to be as indestructable as currently possible/practixal and is designed to contain any radioactive materials in the event of a meltdown/explosion/incident. The theory being that no matter what happens, the nasty stuff will always be contained. How true this is or how reliable the technology is, I don't know but I don't see how such a vessel could possibly contain all iradiated cooling water and steam. When the top blew off Chernobyl, there was no other barrier in place, the entire core was directly exposed to the atmosphere and a big cloud of radioative gas was blown into out... let's hope 21st century technology can contain this one! Edited March 14, 2011 by Vipa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 (edited) I don't think 70 year old events have any relevance to the tragedy unfolding in Japan, it's a little crass to even mention it. If I remember correctly the people of that country already paid an enormous price for those mistakes. I wasn't trying to "bring up old wounds" and I personally believe in forgiveness, life is too short to hold grudges! I also agree with you on the fact that an enormous price has already been paid for what happened in the past. All I was doing was pointing out that I do know of some of the 2nd World War Vets have some terrible memories and they do find it hard to "forgive and forget"! When I made that statement it was not my intention to cause any offence to anyone, if I did I offer a total and unreserved appology! Edit: I have just re-read my earlier post and realised that I could have worded it more clearly! When I refered to "this tragic act of god" I was refering to the Recent Earthquake and the Tsunami that followed and not to events that happened during WW2. Sorry if I was misunderstood. Edited March 14, 2011 by Frenchieboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 I wasn't trying to "bring up old wounds" and I personally believe in forgiveness, life is too short to hold grudges! I also agree with you on the fact that an enormous price has already been paid for what happened in the past. All I was doing was pointing out that I do know of some of the 2nd World War Vets have some terrible memories and they do find it hard to "forgive and forget"! When I made that statement it was not my intention to cause any offence to anyone, if I did I offer a total and unreserved appology! Edit: I have just re-read my earlier post and realised that I could have worded it more clearly! When I refered to "this tragic act of god" I was refering to the Recent Earthquake and the Tsunami that followed and not to events that happened during WW2. Sorry if I was misunderstood. You weren't misunderstood Frenchie... what you posted was akin to starting a sentence "Although there are plenty of people who still remember how evil Hitler and the Nazis were we should still feel sympathy for.... some made up tragedy in Germany!" Read some history books... the British have been guilty of some of the most heinous crimes against people and populations over the centuries yet I wouldn't be too chuffed if someone started a sentence about a tragic natural disaster here with "even though they raped and pillaged african townships 3 hundred years ago and enslaved the people we should still find it in our hearts to show some sympathy!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 You weren't misunderstood Frenchie... what you posted was akin to starting a sentence "Although there are plenty of people who still remember how evil Hitler and the Nazis were we should still feel sympathy for.... some made up tragedy in Germany!" Read some history books... the British have been guilty of some of the most heinous crimes against people and populations over the centuries yet I wouldn't be too chuffed if someone started a sentence about a tragic natural disaster here with "even though they raped and pillaged african townships 3 hundred years ago and enslaved the people we should still find it in our hearts to show some sympathy!" I'm sorry but I thought I had clarified and accepted that I made error in wording and have openly appologised for my mistake! I do know a fair bit about history and I realise that the British have been guilty of atrocities in the past, just as many other nations have, to me that is in the past and we can not undo what has already been done. I made a simple error in my grammar and have unreservedly appologised for it so please do not keep ripping me appart for it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 I'm sorry but I thought I had clarified and accepted that I made error in wording and have openly appologised for my mistake! I do know a fair bit about history and I realise that the British have been guilty of atrocities in the past, just as many other nations have, to me that is in the past and we can not undo what has already been done. I made a simple error in my grammar and have unreservedly appologised for it so please do not keep ripping me appart for it! No Frenchie... not an error in grammar... an error in judgement... that reference should NEVER have been in there at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 No Frenchie... not an error in grammar... an error in judgement... that reference should NEVER have been in there at all. Before we continue any further allow me to ask you one question and then hopefully we can let this matter drop. Can you honestly say "hand on heart" that you have never said something that has come out wrongly? I suspect that your answer will be NO and if that is the case please let this drop! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 Let it go, it was an error of judgment. I think we all realise that, there's no need to labour the point. Frenchie's made his apology, good enough. Let's move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 Before we continue any further allow me to ask you one question and then hopefully we can let this matter drop. Can you honestly say "hand on heart" that you have never said something that has come out wrongly? I suspect that your answer will be NO and if that is the case please let this drop! Frenchie... this is not a personal attack and I am more than happy to let it drop but you seem to be missing the point... Yes I have said things that have come out the wrong way, do it all the time.... this is not such an occassion, this is not something that was said wrongly or missunderstood by the reader, what you don't seem to be acknowledging is the fact that your reference to the treatment of Japanese POWs during WWII has absolutely no bearing on this tragedy or on the way we should view the poor souls that are having to go through it. In fact the people who are going through this are not the same people who were involved and cannot be held in any way accountable for events that happened 70 years ago just as we are not the same people and cannot be held the same for things our ancesters did in the past. The only thing they have in common is that they were born on the same piece of real estate and some of them MAY be related to some of the people involved. Should you be seen in a different light now for things your grandparents may or may not have done? You keep saying your comments were posted incorrectly... the reality is that the reference to WWII should never have appeared in the post in the first place. I am only ranting about this as you have appologised for the gramatical error (whatever that was) but not for posting it in the first place! Anyhoo.... this is seriously detracting from the original point of the thread.. I'm sure all our hearts go out to those involved and effected by this horrible tragedy (whereever they were born!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigeon_snIPer Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 Damn - the video was just mind blowing - so many dead and so many still missing. May god have mercy on their souls. /S/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libs Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 All very sad, such a terrible tragedy. The only thing I object to is donating money to the victims. Japan has/had the 3rd highest GDP and showed a 4% growth in its economy last year, if they can't support the devastated families they need a serious audit of their finances. My thoughts are with those who lost everything, and fingers crossed the nuclear cock-up doesn't go any further Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted March 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 It's an interesting issue. Yes it's tragic but do I think the situation is beyond any comment for fear of upset or beyond even the darkest humour? No. If anyone wants to get all wound up about tragic loss of life well, where do you want to start (and where does it end)? We have 500,000 people dead in Darfur and a couple of million displaced, 940,000 dead following the Iraq invasion, 1.5 million die from Malaria each year and every 3.6 seconds someone dies of hunger. Yes its tragic but... the world is full of tragedy. Whilst I don't want to get rounded on like Frenchieboy, I have to confess that when I heard the update on the news this morning I just hoped that England wouldn't get sucked into giving out more foreign aid we can't afford and frankly I don't want to pay for with my taxes. Anyone who feels differently is more than welcome to empty their own bank accounts, sell their own cars, houses etc and give away as much as they want..... I'll listen to those people taking the moral high ground but no one else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxbuster Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 It's an interesting issue. Yes it's tragic but do I think the situation is beyond any comment for fear of upset or beyond even the darkest humour? No. If anyone wants to get all wound up about tragic loss of life well, where do you want to start (and where does it end)? We have 500,000 people dead in Darfur and a couple of million displaced, 940,000 dead following the Iraq invasion, 1.5 million die from Malaria each year and every 3.6 seconds someone dies of hunger. Yes its tragic but... the world is full of tragedy. Whilst I don't want to get rounded on like Frenchieboy, I have to confess that when I heard the update on the news this morning I just hoped that England wouldn't get sucked into giving out more foreign aid we can't afford and frankly I don't want to pay for with my taxes. Anyone who feels differently is more than welcome to empty their own bank accounts, sell their own cars, houses etc and give away as much as they want..... I'll listen to those people taking the moral high ground but no one else Too true mate-totally agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradders Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 Well, I'm no expert by a long, long way. But that won't stop me speculating; isn't the hydrogen gas that has built up a direct result of fuel rods that have been exposed to the atmosphere, which means there must at least be a partial meltdown of the reactors? The fact that there has been a release of radiation suggests to my untrained, ignorant brain that there has been a breach. I hope, or rather pray, that I'm wrong. Not sure of the exact science but the hydrogen is not as a result of any radiation leakage but as a result of the chemical change water goes through when it is super heated, basically the two elements that make water, oxygen and hydrogen separate into their own parts, this is what created the hydrogen cloud and the explosion(s). Happy to be corrected if I am wrong..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 The expert on the BBC News yesterday said there is nothing to worry about at this stage with the reactors. They are using sea water to cool them, this isn't a long term solution but the plan is to scrap them when they can, they are 40 years old and due to be decommissioned anyway. The explosions that have been replayed many many times were in fact intentional and controlled. As he says, watch them again, the building is still here just the cladding has been blown off to reduce pressure. I don't know anything about this, so I would rather listen to someone like him than a journo looking for a shock headline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 come on Dunkield thats not the response people want to hear, where is the shock and awe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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